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I could agree with merging him with his father's article. I have not seen a single new argument which isn't just "he was significant to the regime", that is till just a one event rationale, he never did anything notable other than defecting, his father, however, is notable, so merge him into that
720:. Former member of inner circle, former general in most elite military unit, member of most prominent sunni family of Syria who took his things and defected. If that isn´t notable, I don´t know what is. It seems to me that FunkMonk is just pushing his own POV.
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