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Whenever you have an article touting its subject as an "adventurer, known as a journalist, essay writer, polemist, poet, graphic artist, musician, musical producer, television person, explorer, political commentator, financial analyst, expert in public image, lobby agent, businessman" (one wonders if
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OK, so why delete? Well, because once the promotion is stripped away, there's hardly anything substantive left. Searching for him by his full name does reveal passing mention of the trial he underwent, but nothing very substantial. Searching for "Mihai
Antonescu", when it doesn't turn up hits for
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Last I checked, there's no rule preventing participants from engaging with one another and challenging opinions they see fit to be challenged. Just as you have a right to an opinion, I have a right to try and demolish it. Now, if you wish to supply evidence, and not just a hunch, of
Antonescu's
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