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457:". They are not themselves notability criteria. They advise that if the listed circumstances exist, one might likely expect to find RS... they do not instruct that lack of meeting the guiding attributes ipso-facto means that one will cannot and will not find reliable sources. I hate that Knowledge (XXG) is being more and more couched in confusing overlays of verbiage, when a simple sentence might say it all. Consensus and multiple discussions has agreed that W:NF's general principles pretty much advise "if some of the following circumstances exist, you should be able to find sources". Following the guideline of 389:
You are absolutely right. However you failed to point out that the guidelines also state "... The following are attributes that generally indicate, when supported with reliable sources, that the required sources are likely to exist:The film is widely distributed and has received full length reviews
414:..The film is "taught" as a subject at an accredited university or college with a notable film program. " If you can point me to any one of the 4 criteria, I am more than happy to reconsider, but I can not find them. Thanks. 390:
by two or more nationally known critics. The film is historically notable, as evidenced by one or more of the following: Publication of at least two non-trivial articles, at least five years after the film's initial release.
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one source to help out that reception section some more) and kudos to the nominator for being open-minded enough to switch stances upon evaluation of the improvements. Sincerely, --
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If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to satisfy the inclusion criteria for a stand-alone article.
394:.The film was deemed notable by a broad survey of film critics, academics, or movie professionals, when such a poll was conducted at least five years after the film's release. 163: 540:, there are several notable sources in this article now. I respect the nominator, SebastianHelm, for changing his mind and deciding not to delete. That is very respectable. 306:
just came out, two just listings of the time it will be playing at the local theater and finally two quick reviews in a foreign news paper. This does not meet our
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The article has now been expanded and sourced. I found numerous reviews of the film and all reviewers agree that it is a piece of crap... but even
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Yup.... quite a poor beginning. However, A quick search has conviced me, that poor as it is at the moment, there is enough available so that the
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With respects, Google News is not the only place one might find in-depth articles in genre-specific reliable sources that show a film meeting
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Unspeedying deletion. Was incorrectly tagged as A1. It's a terrible start for an article, but it does have
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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This article has gone through significant improvements since it was put up for deletion.
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As with all subjects, a film should satisfy the general notability guideline.
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Article has been substantially improved; there are no more delete votes.
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are simply criteria for determining when or if one might expect that "
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give 6 listings. One a brief review, one a Press release that the
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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page(s), which are related to this deletion discussion.
578: 501: 125: 114: 110: 106: 569:. Moreover subject is indeed covered in at least one 176: 190: 557:due to improvements and as film does get over 40 310:unless they changed drastically recently. Thanks 204:that show that it has some marginal notability. 39:). No further edits should be made to this page. 603:). No further edits should be made to this page. 449:as somehow failing to meet the GNG. The quoted 261:can have the coverage needed to meet the GNG. 522:: This debate has been included on the  and 8: 518: 208: 214:list of Film-related deletion discussions 455:the required sources are likely to exist 212:: This debate has been included in the 18:Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion 7: 433:Ahh... as I'm sure you've read, the 24: 536:In the alternative, redirect to 236:article can be markedly improved 1: 586:21:59, 7 September 2009 (UTC) 550:20:47, 7 September 2009 (UTC) 512:20:42, 7 September 2009 (UTC) 487:19:38, 7 September 2009 (UTC) 429:08:20, 7 September 2009 (UTC) 379:08:02, 7 September 2009 (UTC) 357:23:52, 7 September 2009 (UTC) 327:06:17, 7 September 2009 (UTC) 287:03:26, 7 September 2009 (UTC) 271:03:09, 7 September 2009 (UTC) 248:01:42, 7 September 2009 (UTC) 223:23:17, 6 September 2009 (UTC) 620: 498:Note to closing nominator 280:MichaelQSchmidt's message 596:Please do not modify it. 437:guideline begins wiith " 32:Please do not modify it. 441:" which itself states " 571:published encyclopedia 463:the required sources 308:notability standards 295:- The only hits, at 81:Munchie Strikes Back 73:Munchie Strikes Back 530: 217: 68: 54:comment added by 611: 598: 567:reliable sources 447:reliable sources 427: 355: 325: 195: 194: 180: 128: 122: 104: 67: 48: 44:The result was 34: 619: 618: 614: 613: 612: 610: 609: 608: 607: 601:deletion review 594: 479:MichaelQSchmidt 415: 371:MichaelQSchmidt 343: 313: 263:MichaelQSchmidt 240:MichaelQSchmidt 137: 124: 95: 79: 76: 49: 37:deletion review 30: 22: 21: 20: 12: 11: 5: 617: 615: 606: 605: 589: 588: 561:hits, i.e. is 552: 531: 516: 514: 494: 493: 492: 491: 490: 489: 384: 383: 382: 381: 329: 299:as shown here 289: 273: 252: 251: 250: 226: 225: 198: 197: 134: 75: 70: 42: 41: 25: 23: 15: 14: 13: 10: 9: 6: 4: 3: 2: 616: 604: 602: 597: 591: 590: 587: 584: 580: 576: 572: 568: 564: 560: 556: 553: 551: 547: 543: 539: 535: 532: 529: 525: 521: 517: 515: 513: 509: 505: 502: 499: 496: 495: 488: 484: 480: 477:. Thank you. 476: 472: 468: 465:"... meeting 464: 460: 456: 452: 448: 444: 440: 436: 432: 431: 430: 426: 425: 422: 419: 413: 409: 405: 401: 397: 393: 388: 387: 386: 385: 380: 376: 372: 368: 364: 360: 359: 358: 354: 353: 350: 347: 341: 338:my word (yes 337: 333: 330: 328: 324: 323: 320: 317: 311: 309: 305: 301: 298: 294: 290: 288: 285: 281: 277: 274: 272: 268: 264: 260: 256: 253: 249: 245: 241: 237: 233: 230: 229: 228: 227: 224: 221: 215: 211: 207: 206: 205: 203: 193: 189: 186: 183: 179: 175: 171: 168: 165: 162: 159: 156: 153: 150: 147: 143: 140: 139:Find sources: 135: 132: 127: 120: 116: 112: 108: 103: 99: 94: 90: 86: 82: 78: 77: 74: 71: 69: 65: 61: 57: 56:SebastianHelm 53: 47: 40: 38: 33: 27: 26: 19: 595: 592: 575:First pillar 573:and per our 559:Google Books 554: 533: 519: 497: 473:, and thus 462: 454: 450: 442: 438: 423: 420: 417: 411: 407: 403: 399: 395: 391: 351: 348: 345: 342:intended). 335: 331: 321: 318: 315: 292: 291: 275: 254: 231: 209: 199: 187: 181: 173: 166: 160: 154: 148: 138: 50:— Preceding 45: 43: 31: 28: 534:Strong keep 461:, I found " 297:Google News 164:free images 563:verifiable 451:attributes 202:some links 528:User:Ikip 284:Sebastian 220:Sebastian 583:A Nobody 565:through 131:View log 64:contribs 52:unsigned 538:Munchie 524:Munchie 336:Keeping 232:Comment 170:WP refs 158:scholar 98:protect 93:history 471:WP:GNG 421:hoesss 367:WP:GNG 349:hoesss 319:hoesss 293:Delete 142:Google 126:delete 102:delete 579:added 467:WP:NF 459:WP:NF 435:WP:NF 363:WP:NF 185:JSTOR 146:books 129:) – ( 119:views 111:watch 107:links 16:< 555:Keep 546:talk 542:Ikip 520:Note 508:talk 504:Ikip 483:talk 475:WP:N 375:talk 365:and 332:Keep 282:. — 278:per 276:Keep 267:talk 259:crap 255:Keep 244:talk 210:Note 178:FENS 152:news 115:logs 89:talk 85:edit 60:talk 340:Pun 304:DVD 192:TWL 548:) 510:) 485:) 469:, 377:) 312:. 269:) 246:) 218:— 216:. 172:) 117:| 113:| 109:| 105:| 100:| 96:| 91:| 87:| 66:) 62:• 544:( 506:( 481:( 424:S 418:S 412:6 408:5 404:4 400:3 396:2 392:1 373:( 352:S 346:S 322:S 316:S 265:( 242:( 196:) 188:· 182:· 174:· 167:· 161:· 155:· 149:· 144:( 136:( 133:) 123:( 121:) 83:( 58:(

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