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as well as being a candidate for the 2-girl (from US) American Cup squad in spring 2013, the 4-girl World
Championships squad in summer 2013, and for the the 5-girl Olympics squad in 2016. Sources include Gymnastike (a site with full salaried administrators/reporters), the Italian site Olympic Blue (Google treats as "news"), About.com, and Gymnastics Examiner. (Note: these are additional to the already mentioned coverage by
868:. Although there are a few duplicates, there are still so many pieces of solid content that there are more than I can actually use. At least on the first couple screens, the stories are giving her prominent feature, either solely on her or on her as one of a small group of people. Here is an example of Skinner getting 3 minutes of state-wide live TV coverage on the major news channel of Arizona:
606:. While this is technically "not meeting NGYM" that is just because of how NGYM is incredibly restrictive: the AA champion is the only person at nationals who gets notability (just one person...while every single Arena League football player is automatically notable!) Also, I would definitely argue via
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You are not paying attention to my point. I know the Ns support those different takes. I am saying the Ns are silly and not consistent. Those NGRIDIRON or the like are just different things written for different sports. The Gym one did not even have participation from gymnastics article writers.
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The coverage is state-wide, not home-town. There is also more limited national coverage as well as a single international story (Italy). The DTDL has several citations (you have to read one to two sentence further down). Yes, she does not have FIG credit until/unless performed at Worlds or Olys,
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There are also some outside
Arizona mentions. Small Associated Press mention wrt 2012 US Nationals as well as some other pre 2012 Oly mentions She was in the mix to make that and got press...women's gym is a top billing sport at the Olys. Also coverage breaking for her on the double double layout
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I'm not taking anything "to a talk page". We are right here, babe. You have slapped a tag and a ticking time bomb to an article I started. It is inhibiting work being done further. Instead of looking at the Ns, look at the basic criteria for notability. Sunny already explained to you that those
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American Classic as a junior. There is no requirement to be a senior when doing so (for general notability). For that matter being a US National team member is general notability. She also had at least two press pieces where she was
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Have to agree with TCO mean the guidelines under N for academics is stupid. From those guidelines if you have a degree and lecture at a Uni then hey, welcome to
Knowledge (XXG)! Sorry didn't know Wiki was meant to be a database for really not very notable people who will always pass GNG due to the
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Thanks man...and the lady who does the gymnastics examiner is very professional (a stringer for the
Seattle Times). Cut above your average Examiner. Also, there is Gymnastike...which is now part of a paid site covering gym, track and field, etc. With full time paid employees doing the reporting
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I don't agree with that notability GUIDELINE and it was drafted without ANY input from people who watch gymnastics or write Wiki gym articles. The average person here thinks all the
Albanian house league soccer players and all the Arena League benchwarmers are inherently notable. That is because
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require success at senior level. This is consistent with other sports notability criteria, which generally discount junior sportspeople. As for the USA Gymnastics website, its purpose is to record US gymnastics. The fact
Skinner has a page there is hardly proof of her general notability.
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State-wide isn't substantial coverage for an senior elite international gymnast, either. The national news articles seem to only mention the fact that she competed at certain meets, and the DTDL won't be specifically tied to her until she performs it at a higher level of competition.
920:-ed above the relist, you're not supposed to vote again. You can present additional examples why, but adding reams and reams of excess content only serves to annoy the closing administrator when having to render a policy based consensus.
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Huffington Post Teen (a rerun of the Universe bio, but shows interest from another periodical). Also an article from the Arizona Republic. Am adding to article along with some other minor
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Ngymnastics was created without any significant input from Wikiproject gymnastics (which is dead). That criteria is way too restrictive and not comparable to us allowing every minor soccer player to have a bio.
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for now. Coverage appears to be concentrated around her hometown, with no substantial mentions in any national or international forum. The only mention within the article of international coverage lacks a citation,
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USAG only has bios for the top people (national team members are a dozen or so). That is the very top of the pyramid. There are probably 100,000 girls doing competitive gymnastics. But they only show the top
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they are male in into football/soccer. But they don't realize that women's gym is covered nationally by NBC (heavy female audience). Skinner was on NBC national TV when she won the 2011 American
Classic.
964:. Even if cited, this skill does not demonstrate notability as it was not performed at a world championships nor an Olympic games, and thus the skill is not yet officially recognized by the FIG. --
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and USA Gymnastics (the national federation). But really there is enough from just large-sized MSM coverage in Arizona, that I don't see the need to assemble every little straw of defense.
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You are just pointing to a rule, when I am making the simple point by comparison that the two rules make no sense next to each other. One is overly permissive and one overly restrictive.
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You are taking it to talk as you've been whinging like a bitch about it. An AFD will not resolve the clear issues that you have. Or are you just scared that you'll be shouted down?
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P.s. I really like you...you are a nice guy (serious, I spied you). So don't take what I say to heart. I am a gnarly ex-permabannee. Brush off anything I say...you are sweet.
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413:...and intrinsically Skinner is way more Q-factor than that dude. But you know his bio will stay. (Should I nom my own creation to be pointy? could be a fun troll.)
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ok fine, i'm more into the Teleological rather than Deontological. i'm not a big fan of nominating an article minutes after creation of an experienced editor with no
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Uni's own website. Feel though that TCO should take this to a talk page somewhere because in my mind it's obvious that some groups are being favoured over others.
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that since the US is the #1 gymnastics power and also the largest part of the Anglosphere, it is pretty darned notable for En-Wiki to get bronze at
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But if that interview and footage was broadcasted as a news story, I could cite the broadcast itself (even if it is not a web viewable source...)
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and was the only person writing gym articles who commented at all on that policy (it was written by someone who does not write gym articles).
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spread. what would be the point of deleting an article, to just create it when she makes Olympic team? to validate rules? how very pointy.
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