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78:) that occurred very recently (apparently the article was created within 3 days of the newspaper reporting). Concerning the arguments presented in the discussion: The nom does not (as argued lower) state that the article should be deleted because of SPA, SOAPBOX, or ONEEVENT concerns. It is perfectly normal to give a short description of an article's history before presenting the deletion argument, which indeed follows immediately. In what follows, whereas the "delete" arguments are solidly policy-based (especially 419:
minimum annual donations/revenue, etc. The only thing Knowledge cares about is whether the organization has received significant, in depth coverage in multiple reliable sources for more than one event. Could be one person or a million -- the sources are there or they're not. What that quote doesn't mean is that a smaller organization should be held to a lower standard because it's smaller. --—
397:"smaller organizations and their products can be notable, just as individuals can be notable. Arbitrary standards should not be used to create a bias favoring larger organizations or their products." As NOAV is a smaller grassroots animal rights group mention in national newspapers it does make NOAV notable in the context of the type of group it is. 70:: In response to queries on my talk page, I am adding the following rationale: After checking all of the references that were present in the article, it would appear that one (astrazeneca.com) does not mention NOAV and one other is from NOAV itself. Neither can contribute to establish notability. All other references are 620:-- Well, of course that's not what that statement means or it would be meaningless. These policy pages peppered throughout this discussion stem from core Knowledge/encyclopedia principles, so it's not like a court of law where the letter of the law can win a case (not that you were necessarily trying to do so). --— 494:" The author of the article is irrelevant to AfD. The article has the appropriate encyclopedic tone. It is not a soapbox. Even if it was, that would be an indication for clean-up, not deletion. WP:ONEEVENT is explicitly about biographies. The article is about an organization, not an individual person. 418:
You're applying that quote in nearly the opposite way it's intended. What it means is that big organizations and small organizations should be treated equally, in a way that doesn't measure their importance by their size. For example, we wouldn't have a standard for a minimum number of members,
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A company, corporation, organization, school, team, religion, group, product, or service is notable if it has been the subject of significant coverage in secondary sources. Such sources must be reliable, and independent of the subject. A single independent source is almost never sufficient for
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The article appears to meet this standard. In contrast, the three sentences in the nomination fail to make a convincing case for the articles deletion: WP:SPA is an essay that does not recommend automatic deletion of articles written by newcomers (it actually references the guideline
82:), the "keep" arguments resort to wikilawyering ("NOAV is a smaller grassroots animal rights group", "a period of time is any period of time", etc). Together, I found the "keep" arguments unconvincing and agree that creating an article for this organization is too soon. -- 512:
states "There is no fixed number of sources required since sources vary in quality and depth of coverage, but multiple sources are generally expected." How many secondary sources have you counted? How many sources would you like to see for this article?
197: 603:. 86.6.31.117, if you are affiliated with the organization then you should disclose that conflict of interest, please. And if you have commented here under a signed-in account, please disclose that as well. thanks 441: 554:"over a period of time" being the key idea here. ONEEVENT and NOTNEWS are different applications of the same basic idea -- that notability extends beyond an event or events in a short timeframe. Hence 572:"sufficiently significant attention by the world at large and over a period of time" NOAV meets this "sufficiently significant attention" ie national newspapers, has been in mentioned in High Court: 552:
Knowledge articles cover notable topics—those that have gained sufficiently significant attention by the world at large and over a period of time, and are not outside the scope of Knowledge.
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instead), age of the organization is not mentioned as a criterion at WP:ORG, and a minimum source count of five is not supported by our notability guidelines.
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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and "over a period of time" a period of time is any period of time
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and "over a period of time" a period of time is any period of time
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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Secondary source coverage is less than I can count on one hand.
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Organization literally just started in October 2014.
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