422:, and other books: see Sara Cudia "Menotti Lerro. L'innovazione del mito", Maria Rosaria La Marca "Gli occhi sulla critica". In addition there are first prizes and presentations in places of high culture: National libraries both in Italy and abroad as special guest. I am not sure if all my articles meet the necessary criteria to be on Knowledge but please it is not necessary to stress words like "promotional" or to search for old proposal to have the work of this author on WP and mix that with my articles. In my opinion, I just think It is pretty nice and honest work of literature, appreciated by critics and people and often innovative. I invite you to be more comprehensive with it. Thanks a lot. Best wishes.
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create articles thinking there were enough requirements (I am not so expert as you to understand it...); Maybe I was wrong and I will accept it, but I just ask you do not talk of "promotional", "payments", "walled-garden" (I even do not know what a walled garden is...). I just create articles thinking there were requirements, thats all. Please just help when possible to save the article, to improve it, or ask for deletion if it is not possible to save it... It is not a problem, but please do not look too far in my simple and honest collaboration to WP.
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was a more good job to link them as possible (I guess it is what you call Walled-garden). There are monographs about his work from more academic teachers (see
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because they are not independent from Lerro and/or
Pelliccia. Monographs could be extremely helpful for this, if they were published in a reputable research journal and subject to peer review as part of that process. The magazine guest articles might be helpful, if they were written by subject-matter
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Netherzone, please try to consider that these articles I did are not promotional: they are just the opera of a poet and scholar who spent all his life studying and working to create peaces of literature. I thought it would have been nice after so much work to put it on Knowledge and I thought It
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By the way, in the last years the author grow a lot (monographs have been published about him and magazines guest articles about him too) and maybe now we should consider just article by article without mixing everything. I am sure you are in good faith but please consider I am in good faith too. I
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Could you please provide a detailed source analysis to substantiate your walled graden claim for the rest of us. Listing the sources and vaguely waving them off as a walled garden doesn't give us enough context to evaluate independence, and given the language barrier of
Italian language sources it
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Netherzone, I have not changed my mind. Just trying to understand better the mechanisms... I have only said I am not making any "promotion" and I had not really idea about what a walled garden was... And I have tried to show what in my opinion could be considered reliable (I repeat, just to
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Hi, thanks for letting me know. In my opinion this article is about an important, innovative and niche topic. I think it worth to keep it and wait for possible relevant developments. The
Manifesto has been also published in magazines and monographs and there are critical articles about it in the
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Pelliccia, could you please provide them? Prior to nominating this article, I attempted to search for sources about this manifesto, and all I could find in English and Italian were either press releases or opinion articles by Lerro. Those sources do not meet the criteria of our
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Gingekscace, Regarding the sources you have kindly list above, unfortunately none of them are independent coverage. The authors of these citations are all affiliated with Lerro and have all are signed "Empathic
Masters" who have joined Lerro's Empathism movement spelled out in Lerro's
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we have had numerous conversations about your COI, and the walled-garden of articles on your talk page, on my talk page and on various article talk pages. You had also agreed that it was best to fold (redirect, selectively merge) several of the articles into the
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Blog? Clickbait, user-generated content, "We create content-driven communities around niche interests that delight fans and celebrate their diversity. Sometimes we are serious and sometimes we’re silly. Some of our contributors are pros. Many of them aren’t."
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Menotti Lerro and his sister Lucrezia Lerro and other speakers
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The artist/poet's publisher/magazine is RIscontri, this is book sales promotion. The site states that "If you are an author and wish to promote your work, send your application for “In the library“, our literary report column."
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magazine "Riscontri" and the magazine "Clandestino" (both already inserted in the this article as reliabe reference). If possible I ask you to keep it but of course I will accept your decision. Best wishes.
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Hello 4meter4! Here is my source analysis below. Please check out the link I posted above as well for the backstory on the walled garden (or if you prefer, "suite of connected articles")
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as a planet, and the other articles are like moons or satellites orbiting around the planet. It is not necessary to have an article on each of those satellites. Does that make sense?
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https://www.rivistaclandestino.com/scuola-empatica-genesi-e-sviluppo-di-una-nuova-corrente-artistico-letteraria/?fbclid=IwAR2miQIRyuwmU-XxKkAMYAiiZiiRLBUOf5p_eZKH0Mff-tSYtsX84tidOck
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Paid promotional content: "This content contains affiliate links. When you buy through these links, we may earn an affiliate commission."
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learn if I am right or not, not to force it...). By the way I have been invited to discuss it therefore I thouth It was good to do it...
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Thank you Gingeksace, I appreciate your patience and willingness to learn.
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