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USA Today, so clearly independent of the subject itself, both the promotion or even the sport in general. It was heavily covered throughout India post event, which if you read the comment just above your vote you'd see that I have something to say about your '"and show that the duration of the coverage lasted beyond the end of the event"' statement. As far as this event goes, it is being treated the same way by the national media, and these biased votes based of clear lack of invested research has clearly shows that what I am saying about the delete voters on here are not lies, but fact-full statement. If this page gets deleted as well, I will have no choice but to create a '2012 in SFL' page, which I am deeply against but will most likely have no choice to do, considering this relentless attack on MMA event over the course of the last few weeks. I will fight to defend each and every MMA event as best as I can, but the day I see that the only way I can look at past UFC events through a 'year in UFC' page I will be done with
Knowledge, as that day would mean Knowledge has turned to a prison created by the very immates that someone accidentially given powers to create, delete and create ridiculous policies to decide which is what!
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this keeps carrying on. Its not like this information is harming anyone, nor is it costing a thing so who are we protecting this stuff from? Knowledge is going to the dogs (that is a fact) and only the UFC events, which have been able to remain as separate pages as of now, are the final front line to keeping me using and editing
Knowledge. If they get merged into a pages, then thats me gone, because I can't be asked taking this shit from you guys any more. Knowledge is for information, not for debates for it and you guys have lost that sometime ago. As far as your 'local media is treating these promotions with more than the standard coverage we don't have anything to judge it on.' statement goes, it is also stated in
581:(sigh) Here we go again. I understand Bigz's concerns, but these articles fails some policies on notability. The event may be the first based in India, first to be streamed live on Youtube, yadda yadda yadda, but like David has said, "the article will need to demonstrate the event's lasting effect using references for reliable and diverse sources that are both independent of the subject and show that the duration of the coverage lasted beyond the end of the event". It fails the "and show that the duration of the coverage lasted beyond the end of the event" as it hasn't even started yet. None of the sources give lasting and significant coverage, so therefore I am in favor of deletion.
560:, as in SUPER FIGHT LEAGUE, these events are highly notable, they have had articles written by the highest papers in India, which in accordance to GNG, national coverage counts towards notability, just because, say, The New York Times may not of written about it, it doesn't mean to say it has no notability. Discriminating an foreign event based on foreign coverage for a foreign promotion holds no power for deletion votes on here and I am more than happy to point out which users has done so accompanied with the pages done on, some of which are actually on this page already.
388:. Both events meet these policies an for the SFL 1 page to have been deleted is really a crime when considering all the facts of the event, such as it being India's first MMA event, the first event for the first Indian based MMA promotion, first MMA event in history to be streamed live on Youtube etc. That was nothing short of a crime in truth and I am prepared to contest that result. Until then all I can do now is defend this page also.
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Knowledge. I am pointing you to an external reputable source which demonstrates notability. That's all. I point you to a fact, so what in
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Personal attacks by making another personal attack is not the way to foster a collegial editing environment. The "soft clue bats" have been our up to now fairly calm and reasoned explanations of why your reasoning is faulty and warning you about your actions when they
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Well isn't that what an encyclopedia is, for every piece of information on every subject? Because if not then this website is misleading people who use it that what they think it is really isn't. "the only way to get through to you is by a hard bat and not the soft cluebat"? And your telling me that
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in addition to being a event that is going to happen in the future, that this article should also be deleted. It should be noted that this article was created during the SFL1 (2nd
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Guys, I have no interest whatsoever in this subject and I find myself here because I'm tracking another editor who does apparently have an interest. For those of you who think the subject is not notable have a look here
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