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measure of importance). Claimed membership numbers when you don't charge a membership fee aren't going to impress either. What this society would need to persuade me is a significant number of members, or a significant profile in the community (re-enactments, educational work, regular film extra work, etc). It might be my laziness or an unclear layout of their webpage, but on a quick look I didn't see anything that describes such real world activities. So, if it is in practice no more than an online talking shop,
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425:. The one who put it up for deletion purely seems to have purely done so out of spite. Secondly, it is not the only article I have written or contributed to, so, I can't be accused of using it as self-promotion... Please don't be too dismissive in your scepticism, people. I wonder if some of you even bothered to read the page at all...
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Knowledge, SVR looks a bit more noteworthy. {eg. I like the Beatles...but Hey Jude is NOT and NEVER will be encyclopedia material. So, even though my vote change will not be enough to help keep this article from deletion, I will change since they ought to have someone on their side.
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micronation article. Belgsoc is as strong in his or her opinion as you are in yours, and that is a terrible distraction for you. In the end, when you saw that
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Delete. I have visited the website of this group a few times. They are not a bad bunch, and they at least do not presume to be a micronation. {Poole's description of them as a "micronation club" is inaccurate in this respect. The article here flat out denies micronation status}. Still, I have to
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Delete: As said above, micronations survive VfD over and over. Well, the only thing that I think I can offer is consistency. I keep, as much as possible, criteria that do not change with my feelings. I feel that real life always takes precedence over fiction, that the smallest town in our infamous
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I don't believe that claiming 'micronation' status makes you notable (so don't think describing micronation aims are going to impress me), or that getting articles in newspapers written about you are (I've read enough newspaper articles about complete oddballs and silly stories to not rate this as a
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Let's see...on the micronation discussion page, you argue that Nova Roma is a micronation and will continue to refer to it as such because that is what the Nova Roma webpage says it is. Ok. But when SVR denies being a micronation, you ignore that and insist it must be. I see. The real criterion
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I previously voted for deletion, but I am changing my vote. I think
Stormie is right and this whole affair is a personal quarrel between Cruickshank and Belgsoc. And it is not fair that the SVR gets its article deleted because of being in the crossfire. When I see some of the really insignicant
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They can deny being a micronation all they like - but the facts - and their own actions - speak for themselves. This internet-based entity was created by a group of disgruntled former members of the Nova Roma micronation, with the specific intention of setting themselves up in opposition to the
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And according to the edit page, Belgsoc did not even create the article! You know what I think Gene? I think you would have ignored this
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I see this inaccuracy has been corrected now). Like some other users here say, the matter appears to be revolving around tricking people into believing your POV rather than the actual facts. I find this very
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is a crank who has repeatedly posted irrelevent off-topic statements as a way of attempting to villify another editor. Admins please note this latest example. --
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here is Gene Poole's POV! If Gene Poole says something is a micronation, then it is. And if he says something is not a micronation, then it is not.
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Non-notable micronation status of this group is strongly indicated by repeated attempts at interpolating references to
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