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in Shelby County, but it is either an unincorporated community or a neighborhood in
Alabaster. It is not a city, it has never had a mayor, does not have any population or area according to the Census bureau. As far as the Census bureau is concerned this place doesn't exist. I find it perplexing that someone would go to the trouble of fabricating an exhaustive list of city officials, demographic information and city government information, but whatever the motivation, it is just that - fabricated in its entirety.
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Yes, this combined AfD is unfortunate because it confuses the situation. Saginaw is an unincorporated place, so it has no formal government. I could not find anything to support the list of mayors, so that should go. This just points out why we must be careful not to throw out the baby with the bath
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is a hoax. There is no such place with 6000+ people, with the demographics indicated. There are no references that the people listed actually lived there. If you want to recreate the article to write about what we know, that it's an unincorporated tiny place outside of
Alabaster, then cut it down
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But the entire thing is hoaxy/unsourced - there's not an ounce of truth to this article. That's why I mentioned above, that this article should be deleted (as well as the list of mayors) so that an article on the real place can be created without this in the history. But I guess it's all the same
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This is honestly a little baffling. I came across this entry while following my bot doing updates in
Alabama palce articles. On the surface it looks perfectly normal and legit - but a little investigation seems to indicate this is an elaborate hoax. There does appear to be a place called Saginaw
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I said "remove unsourced hoaxy stuff", I thought that addressed it. Anyway, I'm changing my vote as there seems to be nothing un-hoaxy in the entire history and per
Carlossuarez it's best to start over. The only reason I would stub is that it's linked to from a handful of appropriate articles, but
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as edited I went back and found the place where the imaginary elected official were added by a series of ip addresses, & reverted to that--I replaced the afd tag, and I hope I didnt mess up the links. We don't delete articles because somebody was fanciful about the facts, and every inhabited
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I think there is a decent chance that "Saginaw" is the name of an unincorporated town outside of
Alabaster, in which case I would suggest having an article on said town. But since this article is clearly made up I'd prefer to nuke this hoaxy version and have a proper article on the real place
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This is very baffling. I don't either understand why someone would go to the work and sweat of this article just as a prank? It is a quite strange case scenario here; one of a complete different kind of a mystery; yet it still holds the scent of a mysterious event.
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Indeed. The demographics are made up, the census information is invented, the geographical coordinates are for a city two counties away, and there appears to be no such person as the Rev. Carl Pyle. This article has, since its inception, been a fantasy.
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All elected offices for this ficticious place are supposed to be 2 year terms. While there are no term limits, having a mayor who served 61 years; vice mayors who served 20, 24, and 17 years; a city clerk who served 55 seems rather unlikely.
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You didn't address the research I did above. There is no way this 6000+ ppulation town could be so completely below the radar. There is no way an unincorporated town would have mayors.
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