321:. Here EtienneDolet is insisting that text related to the deaths and burning of thousand of killed individuals is... "uncontroversial"! Yup, that's right. Denying mass murder is "non controversial". To him. Why does he do this? Because he wants to use a non-reliable source which up until recently employed a Stormfront neo-Nazi writer on their staff (he was let go when he was exposed). You can't make this up. This isn't
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are valid arguments in your eyes - but they should not be, and I hope will not be, for anyone else. Ethanbas has not explained WHY he thinks this subject is deserving of its own article - all he says is that it is deserving of its own article. He has not provided any supporting arguments that would
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