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321:. Here EtienneDolet is insisting that text related to the deaths and burning of thousand of killed individuals is... "uncontroversial"! Yup, that's right. Denying mass murder is "non controversial". To him. Why does he do this? Because he wants to use a non-reliable source which up until recently employed a Stormfront neo-Nazi writer on their staff (he was let go when he was exposed). You can't make this up. This isn't 592:
are valid arguments in your eyes - but they should not be, and I hope will not be, for anyone else. Ethanbas has not explained WHY he thinks this subject is deserving of its own article - all he says is that it is deserving of its own article. He has not provided any supporting arguments that would
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All the content is already in the article on the prison so there's nothing to merge; & I do not see the point of a redirect--it's a totally implausible search term in full, and it starts with the same word. I think this could better have been a A10 speedy as a duplicate article.
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and possibly merge some content. The event is likely notable, but right now, it's a content fork; the main prison article is already basically all about these and other atrocities, and this content should first be improved in one place before subarticles are spun off per
512: 178: 280:. There are literally 18 more pages of sources (not mentions) though you get into non-reliable sources after the 9th page or so. That still leaves around NINETY reliable sources (I'm forced to estimate here because there are so many) for 52:. Neither side of this discussion denied that this is a notable subject but there is no consensus to keep this as a separate article. No matter whether this is a POVFORK or not, there is consensus that it is 104: 99: 758:
That is an argument that retains a highly pov title as a redirect, a title moreover that nobody will ever search for. Better to Delete, then create a neutral redirect like "Sednaya Prison crematorium".
108: 172: 91: 597:, already exists that could easily contain all the content in this article. Consensus, may I remind you, is not based on a tally of votes, but on reasonable, logical, policy-based arguments. 426:. This is one of the biggest and most important recent stories related to the war in Syria. I saw it even in Russian language publications a few days ago. There were some comparisons with 476:
You created this article. You have to do more than just say "I believe this deserves it's own article". Why do you think its content is deserving of its own article separate from
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Per what? Per no valid reasons at all (Ethanbas's "I think it should be here because I created it and so I obviously think it should be here" and MVBW's ludicrous "one of the
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You would think so. Indeed, lots of bad faith remarks, cursing, and misleading statements. In fact, you'd think that the edit-summary of this
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And in case anyone thinks of saying that I am being unduly harsh on EtienneDolet, then just consider these recent two related edits of theirs
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OR and POV title. In what way is using a crematorium for its intended purpose an "atrocity"? BTW, is there more content in this "source"
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joke, but knowing the nominator's long history in this topic area, I am aware that unfortunately this is done not as a joke. It's a
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Actually all three users gave valid reasons for their !vote - not a POV fork, a very notable story - so stop badgering them.
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visible to subscribers, or does its entire content really consist of just an exact word-for-word repeating of its headline?
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U.S. Makes Disturbing Accusations Against Bashar Assad The State Department alleges mass killing, use of crematorium.
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Syrian regime burned 'thousands' of bodies at crematorium to hide scale of slaughter, US diplomat reveals
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Honestly, if it wasn't for all the Trump stuff, this is the topic we'd all be talking about.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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related to the war in Syria" assertion (has NVBW been living in a cave until last week?).
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Or delete as suggested below is also ok, the redirect isn't from a very probable title.
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is sanctionable in and of itself ("purposeful dishonesty"?). At any rate, an admin like
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Syrian regime built crematorium at prison near Damascus to dispose of bodies, US claims
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Syrian regime using crematorium to 'cover up' mass murders, State Department says
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Assad using large crematorium to hide mass atrocities at Syrian prison, claims US
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U.S. Accuses Assad Regime Of Building Prison Crematorium To Cover Up Mass Murders
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If somebody else had nominated this for deletion, I would've thought it's a
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Asking someone to explain themselves is not "badgering". Maybe Ethanbas'
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can look into it. While they're at it, VM also violated 1RR today (
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U.S. says Syrians built crematorium at prison to dispose of bodies
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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Syrian Crematory Is Hiding Mass Killings of Prisoners, U.S. Says
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to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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That's just the first page of google search, all of it for
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ♠
461:) stated, I believe this deserves it's own article. 213:. Much of the material here is already found at the 43:). No further edits should be made to this page. 920:). No further edits should be made to this page. 396:to self-revert. He also violated it yesterday ( 199: 8: 683:Note: This debate has been included in the 663:Note: This debate has been included in the 643:Note: This debate has been included in the 88:Sednaya Prison Syrian crematorium atrocities 80:Sednaya Prison Syrian crematorium atrocities 665:list of Events-related deletion discussions 531:per My very best wishes and Ethanbas, etc. 685:list of Syria-related deletion discussions 682: 662: 645:list of Crime-related deletion discussions 642: 7: 554:biggest and most important stories 24: 593:dispel the fact that an article, 586:"it is so because I say it is so" 18:Knowledge:Articles for deletion 1: 430:. 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