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676:) alone should be enough to establish notability separate from Idol, since it is doubtful that the average Beverly Hills theatergoer is a fan or viewer of Idol. But she also has a whole other career as a national anthem singer. She is the official anthem singer of the Los Angeles Kings, has sung for both of their Stanley Cup Championship playoff runs in 639:
materialises, a co-write for a single that did not chart, failed auditions and a niche film. As with many of the Idol participants, they struggle to maintain a career. In the end this was one of the reasons why the 1/2/3 position of competitions was implemented. So when we look under the criteria of
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where she performed her first single. It is directly linked to Idol. The Fox link has just two lines, one mentions a new single. The Hallmark link again mentions her recent Idol performance, as do the other TV appearances that you list. Now the last one is very interesting. Her involvement in that
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The Billboard article is a start. But that is only an EP. Did it chart or appear on a major label at all? The Yahoo! article narrates her American Idol experience - it really belongs in the article for that season. The People.com entry is a case in point really as it is the type of gossip style
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would be something very notable. But this is the problem with the article. The post Idol career involves a string of TV show appearances, minor chart successes with the first single and her involvement in the Idol tour. What follows then is some personal appearances, a solo album that never
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Hey Gary, thanks for those sources. I'm afraid I am still scratching the back of my head with this one. Surely the Hollywood Reporter and Perez Hilton are gossip-style websites? The first one announced her appearance at
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The first two articles are about her Idol exit? She gets a passing mention in the Aubrey O'Day article as a co-writer. The Billboard article was noted above. Which leaves pretty much with her Idol experience and the EP.
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Your assertion seems to be that all of her notability is linked to Idol. So let's approach this from a different angle. The fact that she was in
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Reached only ninth in a competition. No album released, very minor chart success. Fails the criteria under
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While only getting to ninth, she has been subject to coverage from the media since Idol, and IMO passes
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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There is sustained and regular news coverage going back over the last six years (eg:
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isn't a gossip website. It's a trade paper for the entertainment industry, like
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is very thin on the ground. So what media did you have in mind?
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to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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sources that I found while searching. Please note that the
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I see your point, but those Youtube links aren't exactly
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