846:; I think this would be better incorporated into an article on measurement for dressmaking, because then the reader would naturally get the whole picture, instead of having to hop from bit to bit. ("bit" a unit used in on-line encyclopaediae to refer to page units; off you go). Of course it is often hard to decide exactly how to partition knowledge, but in the case of units the relation between the units in any scale is very important, so as far as possible it is desirable to keep them together. I'm not sure quite how we're supposed to vote on this, but if it keeps the world spinning, and would save vast amounts of time, let's just redirect to yard. (OT: but it would be nice to have an article on non-normalized units, like 1/4 yd in place of 3/4 ft or 9 in, and the Americans using megafeet or something equally fatuous to crash on Mars with.
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This "unit" consists of two words used in their natural sense: "Quarter yard" is no more and no less than one quarter of one yard. Yes, it has been used as a measure for purchasing cloth (not clothes), indeed I have probably bought "a quarter of a yard" of fabric or haberdashery myself, but that does
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No, the three litre analogy makes sense. I can probably still buy a quarter yard of fabric, or "One and five eighths yards" or whatever, from an old-fashioned shop in the UK although most now deal in metres; although I might buy a half pint of beer, or use a quarter of a pint of milk in a recipe, I
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As someone who sews (in the US), I can say that quarter yard is not a "thing" any more than half a yard or yard. It's simply the amount that you wish to purchase. In quilting circles in the US there is a measure called a "fat quarter" - which is a quarter yard square piece of fabric, pre-cut, used
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It's a unit of measure one encounters in works about sewing, and for someone who hasn't been instructed in sewing, but wants to know if it has any special meaning when it comes to sewing (and it has, which the "yard" article touches upon), a redirect is appropriate.
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