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367:. However, the article is presented as a genre, and not in reference to a single entity. Additionally, there is no original research in defining a performance mode, only in developing one. The theme is not original, and has been used artistically for years and mimicked by many artists. So since the material is not original research, it is not in conflict of interest, and it is not in self-publication by a single source, then I would imagine we'd need a better reason to delete it for being a valid idea than simply that it has not been previously included. 318:, but the use of the stylistic and theatric motif has existed far beyond 2006. The point here is that performers have been using the format for ages, and that simply criticizing a contemporary definition does not erase the use of the genre for many, many years. It's a historical look-back, and it applies. Music didn't start in 2006, people didn't just start applying theatre to music in 2006, and denying that "Rock noir" has existed for a significant time fails to view that very history. 518:, third party sources discussing this "genre" in detail. Articles about the one band do not support the creation of a new genre (we'd have hundreds every day if we included them all) and claims about a long-standing link between rock and theatre still do not justify "rock noir" as being an accepted as a term for that crossover by the music press. Ultimately fails 381:
I agree that then article is well presented, in order to avoid the COI, but how can you say "there is no original research in defining a performance mode", if the definition is merely invented by a band? (the Italian soruces are quite clear about it: they invented the name of the genre in order to
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I could agree with you but we don't have to do or have original research (as you know, we don't create information, we collect it): so, if we found reliable 3rd-pary sources talking about rock noir in a organized way, we could keep it. I did my research and I did not found (moreover, principal
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be "more original", but a lot of commenters (also in voice talk) say that their genre is identical to gothic rock). Moreover, I have to repeat: we don't creat informations, we collect them. Where is a 3rd party indipendent source describing rock noir as a notable genre? --
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Sorry, did you actually read the topic? Rock noir is born in 2006 (accordly to the article). How Cooper and Co. could be involved? Moreover, Cooper and Kiss are not really close to "rock noir" claiming, as in the article is clearly
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about a genre not present in notable sources, except in statements of Belladonna's members and by other musician in which there is not a connection.
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I'd hate to consider a simple selfish-circumstance for a single band, but if the name is coined simply for personal exposure then it fails the
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The lack of reliable third party sources (music stores and forums are not reliable sources) indicates that this fails
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for claiming that the fusion of rock and theatre exists, then we had better make room for kicking out
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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didn't invent putting clothes pins in his shirts for the look, it's attributed variously to
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to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
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Let's face it, the combination of rock and theatre (when we subject that to
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  —
173: 43:). No further edits should be made to this page. 553:). No further edits should be made to this page. 251:...and those guys obviously are valid under the 429:Please do not make more than one bold !vote. — 187: 8: 291:Note: This debate has been included in the 293:list of Music-related deletion discussions 290: 227:), has existed at least since the time of 314:the term "Rock noir" may be "coined" by 7: 341:contributor to this page is quite 24: 18:Knowledge:Articles for deletion 1: 235:. If we are going to boot 570: 411:RO. No 3rd-pary sources.-- 64:01:08, 7 August 2012 (UTC) 532:11:20, 31 July 2012 (UTC) 499:07:09, 31 July 2012 (UTC) 470:09:14, 30 July 2012 (UTC) 439:07:11, 31 July 2012 (UTC) 421:06:57, 30 July 2012 (UTC) 392:06:49, 30 July 2012 (UTC) 377:09:43, 28 July 2012 (UTC) 355:08:46, 24 July 2012 (UTC) 336:08:25, 24 July 2012 (UTC) 307:03:04, 24 July 2012 (UTC) 284:11:28, 23 July 2012 (UTC) 265:10:32, 23 July 2012 (UTC) 215:08:13, 23 July 2012 (UTC) 542:Please do not modify it. 32:Please do not modify it. 514:. Total absence of any 197:Original reasearch and 48:The result was 501: 309: 296: 561: 544: 488: 484: 468: 460: 297: 192: 191: 177: 129: 119: 101: 60: 34: 569: 568: 564: 563: 562: 560: 559: 558: 557: 551:deletion review 540: 477: 458: 455: 343:single-purposed 134: 125: 92: 76: 73: 62: 58: 41:deletion review 30: 22: 21: 20: 12: 11: 5: 567: 565: 556: 555: 535: 534: 504: 503: 502: 486: 485: 474: 473: 472: 444: 443: 442: 441: 424: 423: 405: 404: 403: 402: 401: 400: 399: 398: 397: 396: 395: 394: 288: 287: 286: 268: 267: 195: 194: 131: 72: 67: 56: 54:The Bushranger 46: 45: 25: 23: 15: 14: 13: 10: 9: 6: 4: 3: 2: 566: 554: 552: 548: 543: 537: 536: 533: 529: 525: 524:Blackmetalbaz 521: 517: 513: 509: 506: 505: 500: 496: 492: 487: 483: 481: 476: 475: 471: 466: 462: 461: 453: 449: 446: 445: 440: 436: 432: 428: 427: 426: 425: 422: 418: 414: 410: 407: 406: 393: 389: 385: 380: 379: 378: 374: 370: 366: 362: 358: 357: 356: 352: 348: 344: 339: 338: 337: 333: 329: 325: 321: 317: 316:current claim 313: 312: 311: 310: 308: 304: 300: 294: 289: 285: 281: 277: 272: 271: 270: 269: 266: 262: 258: 254: 250: 246: 242: 238: 234: 230: 226: 222: 219: 218: 217: 216: 212: 208: 204: 200: 190: 186: 183: 180: 176: 172: 168: 165: 162: 159: 156: 153: 150: 147: 144: 140: 137: 136:Find sources: 132: 128: 123: 117: 113: 109: 105: 100: 96: 91: 87: 83: 79: 75: 74: 71: 68: 66: 65: 61: 59:One ping only 55: 51: 44: 42: 38: 33: 27: 26: 19: 541: 538: 510:Non-notable 507: 478: 456: 447: 408: 315: 229:Alice Cooper 220: 196: 184: 178: 170: 163: 157: 151: 145: 135: 49: 47: 31: 28: 491:Crisco 1492 431:Crisco 1492 324:Johnny Hell 320:Sid Vicious 199:WP:COATRACK 161:free images 365:WP:SELFPUB 274:written.-- 237:Belladonna 203:Belladonna 547:talk page 512:neologism 413:Louisbeta 384:Louisbeta 347:Louisbeta 299:• Gene93k 276:Louisbeta 255:, etc... 225:Rock noir 207:Louisbeta 78:Rock noir 70:Rock noir 37:talk page 549:or in a 516:reliable 480:Relisted 122:View log 39:or in a 459:SabreBD 452:WP:NOTE 253:WP:BAND 167:WP refs 155:scholar 95:protect 90:history 520:WP:GNG 508:Delete 448:Delete 409:Delete 363:& 361:WP:COI 139:Google 99:delete 50:delete 369:Ren99 328:Ren99 257:Ren99 241:Alice 182:JSTOR 143:books 127:Stats 116:views 108:watch 104:links 16:< 528:talk 495:talk 465:talk 435:talk 417:talk 388:talk 373:talk 351:talk 332:talk 303:talk 280:talk 261:talk 249:GWAR 245:Gene 233:Kiss 231:and 221:Keep 211:talk 201:for 175:FENS 149:news 112:logs 86:talk 82:edit 189:TWL 124:• 120:– ( 530:) 522:. 497:) 437:) 419:) 390:) 375:) 353:) 334:) 305:) 295:. 282:) 263:) 247:, 243:, 213:) 169:) 114:| 110:| 106:| 102:| 97:| 93:| 88:| 84:| 52:. 526:( 493:( 467:) 463:( 433:( 415:( 386:( 371:( 349:( 330:( 301:( 278:( 259:( 209:( 193:) 185:· 179:· 171:· 164:· 158:· 152:· 146:· 141:( 133:( 130:) 118:) 80:(

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