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office, I'd probably lean towards Keep. So there are two ways you can convince me: show me a significant treatment of it in a reputable source (I will not be convinced by Google Book hits for trivial mentions) or show me it actually existed. Either one will convince me the topic is notable. I think both are quite reasonable and following guidelines too. Once again, I'm leaning toward
377:, but proposer is right: 1. Topic has not been the subject of serious, reputable study (there are no English scholarly histories on the topic, just brief mentions on other subjects) 2. And the brief mentions which do exist, seem to make clear that it was a political aspiration and never anywhere close to an "Unrecognized state" or even "embryonic state." I will vote to 370: 452:
which has a few scholarly treatments (although not the article) may be a good example of an imaginary state that is notable. But even if there isn't that scholarly treatment, I said I would be convinced of its notability if it ever was an "Unrecognized state" or even "Embryonic State". If it had an
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which states "The Greeks of Trebizond asked the Peace Conference to detach Trebizond from Turkey and to form of it a separate State to be known as the Republic of Pontus". The topic is notable and any problems can be solved via normal editing, as Metropolitan90 said. For examples of articles on other
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if someone can show me: A. A major reputable treatment of the subject (without this, there is no notability for a historical entity) or B. Someone shows something that says this wasn't just an idea by a handful of people with good diplomatic connections, but an actually existing entity. Otherwise,
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Article on a non existent body, written totally in POV, without serious (let alone reliable) sources. Distortion of history. Even "flag" imposed on a "proposed" state (?) which was supposed to be called "Republic of Pontus", by the concerned WP editor who made up the article.
366: 362: 443:@Athenean. Thanks for the comments. No sources in that search, except the Eccumenical one, spend more than a line or two on the Pontic Republic. All of them use the term once, if at all (seriously click on the books and you will only find trivial mentions). 238:, but I can't access the entire thing from Google Books. A cursory search turns up at least a dozen books that could be used as future references in the article, including works by the American-Hellenic Society, the US War Department, and 447:
is clear that Notability has to be more than trivial mentions, although not necessarily the full subject of the article. We need a couple of sources that spend a page or two on the Republic of Pontus to clearly say it is notable.
411:. Yeah, so it was never implemented, only proposed. That has nothing to do with whether the subject is notable or not. By the way, who is it you are following around? Me, or E4024? If it's me I would prefer it it if you stopped. 219:, the Republic of Pontus was at least a serious proposal for a state that might have been formed due to the territorial changes at the end of World War I. Any problems with the article can be dealt with through normal editing. -- 533:@Sprutt: As you will most possibly agree with me, if a state has not been formally proclaimed any supposed recognition is out of question; therefore maybe you should strike that word in your comment. Thanks in advance. -- 166: 356:
Yeah, there are good reasons behind this request that are not just that E doesn't like it. Can anyone find a link source to support this claim: "the Republic of Pontus was never officially proclaimed, but a
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When I open a discussion I always hope many people to follow me and join the talk, not only two or three users. So thanks to everyone who are kind enough to join the discussion. --
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The Greek Republic of Pontus never became a reality, and in the abortive struggle to create it the Pontic Greeks were displaced with enormous loss of life
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The above referred writer mentions a "desire" to have a republic not a state or a project thereof... --
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List of United States territories that failed to become states#Proposed but non-existent entities
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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the content should probably be merged with Paris Peace Conference page or
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
335:: Easily a notable topic. This is just a major case of 109: 105: 101: 173: 43:). No further edits should be made to this page. 602:). No further edits should be made to this page. 359:central government of an embryonic state existed 187: 8: 568:Note: This debate has been included in the 548:Note: This debate has been included in the 570:list of Turkey-related deletion discussions 550:list of Greece-related deletion discussions 361:." All I can find is people calling it a " 567: 547: 242:of London. There's also an article from 234:. The book by Forster does mention the 7: 367:plans to declare a Pontus Republic 24: 314:. I think this case is a kind of 18:Knowledge:Articles for deletion 582:01:22, 27 September 2012 (UTC) 562:01:22, 27 September 2012 (UTC) 543:18:03, 26 September 2012 (UTC) 527:17:53, 26 September 2012 (UTC) 510:17:30, 26 September 2012 (UTC) 483:17:53, 26 September 2012 (UTC) 467:16:15, 26 September 2012 (UTC) 437:16:00, 26 September 2012 (UTC) 421:15:49, 26 September 2012 (UTC) 404:Are you kidding me? There is 396:15:37, 26 September 2012 (UTC) 349:16:57, 25 September 2012 (UTC) 328:14:19, 25 September 2012 (UTC) 303:12:47, 24 September 2012 (UTC) 282:10:33, 24 September 2012 (UTC) 265:19:04, 23 September 2012 (UTC) 249:List of proposed state mergers 227:17:17, 23 September 2012 (UTC) 208:15:15, 23 September 2012 (UTC) 62:23:00, 27 September 2012 (UTC) 1: 450:United States of Latin Africa 289:per Metropolitan90. Topic is 408:of material on the subject 619: 247:non-existent bodies, see 591:Please do not modify it. 32:Please do not modify it. 473:Thanks, I found one. 365:" or that there were " 445:Knowledge:Notability 363:political aspiration 312:(Pontus Cumhuriyeti) 244:The New York Times 236:Republic of Pontus 76:Republic of Pontus 68:Republic of Pontus 48:The result was 584: 564: 519:AbstractIllusions 475:AbstractIllusions 459:AbstractIllusions 388:AbstractIllusions 610: 593: 386:Pontic Greeks. 192: 191: 177: 129: 117: 99: 34: 618: 617: 613: 612: 611: 609: 608: 607: 606: 600:deletion review 589: 134: 125: 90: 74: 71: 41:deletion review 30: 22: 21: 20: 12: 11: 5: 616: 614: 605: 604: 585: 565: 545: 530: 529: 512: 494: 493: 492: 491: 490: 489: 488: 487: 486: 485: 425: 424: 423: 399: 398: 351: 337:WP:IDONTLIKEIT 330: 316:WP:IDONTLIKEIT 305: 284: 267: 229: 221:Metropolitan90 195: 194: 131: 70: 65: 46: 45: 25: 23: 15: 14: 13: 10: 9: 6: 4: 3: 2: 615: 603: 601: 597: 592: 586: 583: 579: 575: 571: 566: 563: 559: 555: 551: 546: 544: 540: 536: 532: 531: 528: 524: 520: 516: 513: 511: 507: 503: 499: 496: 495: 484: 480: 476: 472: 471: 470: 469: 468: 464: 460: 456: 451: 446: 442: 441: 440: 439: 438: 434: 430: 426: 422: 418: 414: 410: 407: 403: 402: 401: 400: 397: 393: 389: 385: 380: 376: 372: 368: 364: 360: 355: 352: 350: 346: 342: 338: 334: 331: 329: 325: 321: 318:. Thank you. 317: 313: 309: 306: 304: 300: 296: 295:Gun Powder Ma 292: 288: 285: 283: 279: 275: 271: 270:Clarification 268: 266: 262: 258: 254: 250: 245: 241: 237: 233: 230: 228: 225: 222: 218: 216:. As seen at 215: 212: 211: 210: 209: 205: 201: 190: 186: 183: 180: 176: 172: 168: 165: 162: 159: 156: 153: 150: 147: 144: 140: 137: 136:Find sources: 132: 128: 124: 121: 115: 111: 107: 103: 98: 94: 89: 85: 81: 77: 73: 72: 69: 66: 64: 63: 59: 55: 51: 44: 42: 38: 33: 27: 26: 19: 590: 587: 514: 497: 454: 405: 384:Trabzon page 383: 378: 374: 358: 353: 332: 307: 286: 269: 257:Braincricket 243: 239: 231: 213: 196: 184: 178: 170: 163: 157: 151: 145: 135: 122: 49: 47: 31: 28: 161:free images 54:Mark Arsten 596:talk page 574:• Gene93k 554:• Gene93k 240:The Times 50:Snow Keep 37:talk page 598:or in a 413:Athenean 341:Athenean 120:View log 39:or in a 369:", or " 354:Comment 320:Takabeg 291:notable 167:WP refs 155:scholar 93:protect 88:history 502:Sprutt 406:plenty 224:(talk) 139:Google 97:delete 535:E4024 429:E4024 274:E4024 200:E4024 182:JSTOR 143:books 127:Stats 114:views 106:watch 102:links 16:< 578:talk 558:talk 539:talk 523:talk 515:Keep 506:talk 498:Keep 479:talk 463:talk 455:Keep 433:talk 417:talk 392:talk 379:Keep 375:Keep 345:talk 333:Keep 324:talk 308:Keep 299:talk 287:Keep 278:talk 261:talk 251:and 232:Keep 214:Keep 204:talk 175:FENS 149:news 110:logs 84:talk 80:edit 58:talk 189:TWL 118:– ( 580:) 572:. 560:) 552:. 541:) 525:) 508:) 481:) 465:) 435:) 419:) 394:) 347:) 339:. 326:) 301:) 293:. 280:) 263:) 255:. 206:) 169:) 112:| 108:| 104:| 100:| 95:| 91:| 86:| 82:| 60:) 52:. 576:( 556:( 537:( 521:( 504:( 477:( 461:( 431:( 415:( 390:( 343:( 322:( 297:( 276:( 259:( 202:( 193:) 185:· 179:· 171:· 164:· 158:· 152:· 146:· 141:( 133:( 130:) 123:· 116:) 78:( 56:(

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