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was merely confined to a few detention camps toward the end of WW2. Librescu has a lot of publications, but they tend to be papers that focus on better approximate solutions to certain non-linear equations or reports of various failure modes for various materials used in aerospace engineering. These sorts of papers are useful in aerospace engineering design, but they are not particularly notable, and an engineering professor that has many graduate students will generate a lot of these types of papers. I read through the accounts of Librescu's heroism. He could be a hero, but I have examined many reports from tragedies and from the early days of wars. People find the heroes that they need. Librescu hears noise in the hall, goes to the door, gets shot, falls into the door, his body blocks it, and he moans in agony. The students hear him call out to them to flee especially after they get together to discuss the incident afterwards. Both Librescu and Shaalan seem sufficiently notable in terms of newspaper accounts that the individual entries should remain. If one is removed, the other one should be as well. Otherwise, both entries should remain. The discussion makes me think of some of the analysis of the martyrization of Yosef Trumpeldor at Tel Hai. The early Zionists needed to create a cult of death and martyrdom. They used the battle of Tel Hai as a source. When I read the accounts, I was always skeptical that Trumpeldor really quoted Virgil in Hebrew as he lay dying. Later, when I researched the history more deeply, I found that my doubts were justified. I am irritated that this discussion of Shaalan and Librescu seems to have a subtext that some of the Knowledge community desperately want to find an Israeli Jewish hero in this tragedy (even if he is a

2020:- Hello everyone. Waleed Shaalan is a notable person for many reasons. The first and most important is that he saved his classmates life. He, unfortunately for him, is now a part of U.S history, because he he was killed in what is described as the worst school shooting incident in American history. Waleed Shaalan is notable for another reason. He emigrated from zagazig, Egypt, an extremely poor region of egypt. He is notable because not only did he finish his education, which in that area is an accomplishment, but he received an offer from Virginia Tech to teach as well as work on his Phd. That in and of itself is an accomplishment and is notable. Lets not forget that we have to keep in mind this persons situation. Everyone is different, and for him to actually make it here is remarkable and notable. Secondly, it is notable that he left his entire family to come study in the united states. It is notable that he was respected by a number of professor and students. As you can read in the articles, everyone has remarked on how hardworking and intelligent he was. I believe that this person is notable and that this wikipedia article should remain. He is just as notable as Liviu Librescu. If this article is deleted than so should Librescu's. 2404:- Librescu had no article prior to the Virginia Tech massacre. Had he lived out the rest of his life peacefully and died of natural causes, it's unlikely that anybody would have written an article about him. For that matter, it's far from guaranteed that he would've gotten an article had he merely been another victim of the shooting, rather than someone who acted heroically during it. To say that his article was created because of his academic career is just not accurate. Librescu has an article because of the circumstances of his death. Thus, comparing him and Shaalan, who died in the same event while taking similar actions, is entirely valid. 907:

necessary two sources. There is obviously no real consensus about whether 2 RS are all that is needed for N, regardless of the subject. The rules seem to say so, some people seem to think so, many of the people here do not agree. If delete in a case like this really is the consensus it may simplify some of the N discussions now going on, because this seems to be clearly saying that being the subject of independent feature articles in 2 major newspapers is not always enough for N. This unmistakably indicates we cannot combine the rules, and that we now mean articles must have 2 independent RS

1157:, because well written and well referenced article that even includes a nice image concerning a victim in a historic and media-worthy tragedy in which people conducting research and using this encyclopedia will assuredly be interested in looking up. Moreover, the story written in the article about this particular individual shows some travel and other distinctions that add to its notability. Finally, as information continues to come out, this article is likely to be fleshed in further and so the nomination for deletion is simply jumping the gun, i.e. way too quick and suspicious, sadly. -- 2000:- Unless all victims of this tragedy are deleted, this article should be kept. These victims may not be notable in and of themselves, but their loss in this tragedy made them notable and brought their lives to light. Finding something notable about a victim, does not mean that their post should stay, because the reason for the posting is the fact that they are a victim, the rest are merely 'excuses' (for a lack of a better term) to keep them. I am ALL the profiles of the victims should stay. However, if we delete this one, we must delete Liviu Librescu and his notable deeds as well. 1065:: I'm really against all these VaTech AfDs popping up immediately after the creation of the articles. Doesn't everyone know that there's absolutely no way we can get an organized and level-headed discussion about these articles while the emotions are running so high and the events are in everyone's mind? And that's not even mentioning the SPAs or possible/probably sockpuppetry. I say wait a few weeks, let the events settle down and cool down before engaging in an AfD. Only then will we be able to get a proper deletion discussion. 646:

by Waleed, caused the killer to take more lives because he couldn't enter that room and he went another where more killings happened. Think about it. All of this is mere and utter speculation and altering of a history that never happened. And, yes, this is true for Prof. Librescu as well, because I know people will ask. We do not know that he saved lives, and to suppose otherwise, is to fabricate a future that never happened. Librescu qualifies for an article because he meets

2294:". Thus in the very establishment of this page, it is formally acknowledged in circular fashion that Waleed Shaalan DOES have an instance of notability, thereby invalidating the very claim that he is not notable. There is nothing in Knowledge to require deletion of subjects that involve a single instance of notability. There are many thousands of such subjects, if not millions. That Waleed Shaalan is made the target of such an attack is very offensive. 2699:: I specifically sought out the subject of this article as I was researching cases of possible heroism during the shootings. I specifically wanted information regarding the background of the possible heros and specifics regarding the incidents of possible heroism. This article provided the information I was searching for about a specific subject, and was both the most complete and easily accessible article on the subject. kamatoa - 25 April, 2007 2183:

same thing during the same incident? Of course not. No, we should not have articles for every person killed in the Virginia Tech massacre, but people who have widely-reported, individually significant involvement in the event certainly are notable enough to merit their own articles. Claiming that Shalaan was just another victim is dishonest and offensive. And as for Shaalan having only a single instance of notability...the same would apply to

2647:- No one is arguing that every victim of the massacre should have an article. Only those who are individually notable get articles. The dispute is whether Shaalan falls into that category. Apparently some people think that since he was a student rather than a professor, his actions being reported in numerous reliable nationwide and international media sources somehow is not enough to establish notability. 1482:. At this point it seems unlikely that there is any particular connection between the victims, and in any case it is not the role of wikipedia to speculate on possible connections, or to start articles based on the subjects' potential to DEVELOP notability - we wait for other verifiable sources to establish notability and information, and only then do we compile that information into an article. 2116:

have been working toward great things in life, and he may have even been a really incredible person, none of these things really say anything about his being important in either an academic context (as many of the professors were) or in a historical context (simply "being a victim" really doesn't warrant more than possibly a small blurb in the collective victims page.

1395:. The only thing that sets Mr. Shaalan apart from the other victims is that he may've distracted the gunman (and was shot as a result) in order to save another student; this can be noted in his section of the "list of" article. Of course, if Mr. Shaalan becomes notable for something outside having died in the massacre, I will fully support the article's recreation. 958:: This content is repeated elsewhere, and does not warrant an article of its own since 100% of the content is related to the VT massacre. I will only change my vote to a weak keep if the article has content that is not directly related (i.e., if a scholarship were named in his honour or something that isn't repeated elsewhere, and would only make sense to have here). 76:"SubhanAllah, Br. Waleed gave Muslims an opportunity for dawah in his own death… he left behind a legacy for us to latch on. We cannot let it die. Americans of all faiths are listening; let’s make sure they heart this story too.So, what can you do? Cross-promote the story, whether this link on MuslimMatters.org or other websites stating it." 662:- You really aren't paying attention, are you? Waleed Shaalan did not block a door. That's what Liviu Librescu did. Waleed Shaalan distracted the gunman's attention away from several other students, as verified by those other students. Please take the time to view this article's references, especially the video. 674:. I have reviewed the references. The same exact logic applies whether the reports are that he blocked a door or distracted the gunman. It is unknown whether this resulted in saved lives, the same number of lives lost or more lives lost. We cannot make statements about a future that didn't happen. -- 1773:

was his selfless heroism in protecting students. The same goes for Shaalan. The chief difference between Librescu and Shaalan is their religion. No rational claim has been advanced that Shaalan is not notable. So what other conclusion can be made other than that Islamophobia has once again reared its

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I read through the Liviu Librescu entry for comparison, and there simply is not enough reason for the two entries to merit different treatment. Librescu is a Holocaust survivor. Nowadays, that just means that he lived in Europe during the period that the Nazi party governed Germany. In fact, Librescu

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has an external link to a "Librescu Family Condolence Page". Does that indicate the true purpose of his page is a memorial? I think not. Neither does the link to a memorial site for Waleed Shaalan indicate that the "true purpose" of the article on Waleed Shalaan is to memorialize him. Clearly with 6

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which seem to be fueling this argument. Librescu is included in Knowledge because he was a notable scholar and professor in his field and deserved to be included regardless of what may have happened in the massacre. While both reportedly acted fearlessly in the face of great danger in the Virginia

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what the killer would have done if the door had not been blocked. Would he have barged back in and continued shooting? Maybe. Would that shooting have resulted in deaths? Maybe. Or maybe, the killer would have walked away, or gone to another classroom. Maybe, just maybe, the blocking of the door

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what is not notable about standing up to one of the worst murderers in American history? Knowledge isn't a memorial but it does tell things as they are. Not every soldier in World War II was notable in such a way. This man's position was proven by eye-witness accounts. He has been featured in media

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to do with the fact that Librescu was a full professor, 76 years old with an established and esteemed career. He would have met the criteria for a Knowledge article even if he had been nowhere near the shootings on April 16. Shallen was just a 32 year old grad student, yet to establish himself in

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Knowledge sense, because there are insufficient notices from different credible sources (a total of zero) to describe the subject. With Waleed Shaalan there are multiple separate notices making Waleed Shaalan an independent subject of articles in a variety of credible media, including a video from

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While all of the things you stated are very true, and very nice, they still don't make him "notable". There are many such personal stories everywhere around the world, of people from poorer situations who have worked their way up to better situations. While it may be a very nice story, and he may

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was included too, I think without justification, but the admin ruled twice and I accept the adjudication on a complex issue (at least for the time being). Wiki members must keep it in mind that it is unhelpful to call people Islamophobes or misogynists (as was the case in the Couture-Nowak debate)

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as it is used at Wikepedia, does not mean the dictionary definition. It means that there are sufficient notices from different reliable sources to adequately describe the subject. Despite the brilliance and/or serendipity involved, whoever first discovered how to make fire is not "notable" in the

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is notable, and his article was created for the exact same reason as Shaalan's: he died a hero, sacrificing his life to save the lives of others during the worst shooting massacre in American history. Is a student sacrificing his life to save others somehow less notable than a professor doing the

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Well, the difference is, that there are plenty of testemonies stating that Librescu's actions did indeed save other peoples lives. And then add his record as a professor which is strong enough for inclusion in its own right. There is no evidence that other dead victims have done anything "brave".

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There are at this comment posting already 5 separate and independent published articles from credible news sources focussing on Waleed Shaalan's heroism plus a TV video that expands on those articles with interviews from students showing that he saved three people. This thoroughly establishes the

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There's undoubtedly a certain amount of coverage about Shaalan. However, it is an established principle on this project that otherwise NN people who rec'd attention merely because of the circumstances attending their deaths should not get their own articles. As much or more coverage went to every

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Second, this entire deletion page is an absurdity, and a very insulting one at that. Go to the very top of this page to see the basis of its establishment. This page is predicated upon the oxymoron that Waleed Shaalan is not notable because he is an "Individual with single instance of notability

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The above reasoning is circular. You admit that he is notable yet want to delete the article on the ground that he is not notable. 5 separate articles from credible newspapers plus a video of interviews with students from a credible TV outlet all of which verify his distinctive heroism establish

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would be a likely concomitant of this discussion. He was right. Waleed Shaalan is easily distinguishable from the other victims up for deletion, because he didn't simply die, he rescued someone else. And truth be told, that's the reason that Librescu gets a bio. I'm sure you realize that had he

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for reasons that have been gone over multiple times in other AfDs. Doesn't appear to be any notability at all in academic terms, and I don't believe simply being a victim is enough to be notable. I think, from the professors' AfD, we've reached a clear consensus that being a victim by itself

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on the basis that there are articles on him now to meet the present technical requirements for N. (there is now the Washington Post as well as the NYT)-- these papers think that each individual victim is appropriate for an article. So will other papers, which will provide many more than the

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Most of the delete opinions touched on this rationale. I credit iridescenti, chaerani, tewfik, et al. for making the distinction between the faculty and students. Old timer ugen64 also opined to delete. The keep side consisted of appeals to multiple references (DGG et al.) and a variety of

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If we do that, people will say "you left it up x weeks, why are you picking on it now?". There's no 'right' time for something emotive like this, and at least getting the discussion out of the way now saves people wasting time and effort expanding them if they're going to be

2233:- So, committing mass murder is notable, but saving people from a mass murderer is not? That seems a bit twisted. Not to mention, unsupported by any consensus I'm aware of. The articles for several Flight 93 victims who fought back against the hijackers indicates otherwise. 1177:

Many of the things you want to keep this article for are irrelevant. How does having a "nice image" affect this subject's notability? What kind of distinctions did he have? Being a doctoral student? Being from Egypt? Being "very active" in the Muslim Student Association?

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that reads, "As this essay tries to stimulate people to use sound arguments in deletion discussions, it is important to realize that countering the keep or delete arguments of other people by simply referring them to this essay is not encouraged (see also the section

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Tech massacre, that's not the basis on which we are deciding the inclusion of either of them. It is a very ugly situation to assume that this has something to do with the fact that Librescu was a Jew and a holocaust survivor and Waleed was an Egyptian. It has

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and Librescu are notable for their heroic resistance to their assailant. Contrast this with the Knowledge memorials for people who merely made telephone calls from Flight 93, or who supposedly offered resistance to attackers. Start with the most obvious one,

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per well-argued reasons by other keepers above and also suggest recreation of Emily's article as consensus was hardly reached and new information about email contact between her and Cho has been reported by MSNBC. Thus, redirect happened too rapidly.

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Noted for dying on a football field. Article notes: NOT a major recruit. Please, if we keep Keeley Dorsey we should have an article for every VA Tech victim. If we delete Waleed Shaalan, we should delete people known for nothing else other than

2748:. Maybe if more information is uncovered or notability increases the subject should then have his own article. The article as it stands now is a bit too much of a memorial. I am suer everyone here wishes the best to all who knew Waleed.-- 1496:

nn, dying in a notable event doesn't make one notable otherwise we'd have millions of notable people who died in WW1, WW2, the Irish Potato Famine, 9/11, the Titanic, etc., all of which were notable events leaving lots of dead people.

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victim of 9-11 and most of the American soldiers killed in Iraq. We cannot and should not host the memorial articles for these people, unless they have independent notability through which they stand out from the rest, e.g.,

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If the circumstances of his death are notable (which they are), then he's notable. This isn't a memorial, it's an article about a man who is individually notable as shown by multiple media reports about his actions.

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and keep their minds, such as they are, on policy citations. Oh, and one other thing: this rationale that "the article isn't noteworthy now but it might become noteworthy so let's leave it in" is codswallop -- and

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I agree, there is no right time for discussions, but my point was that we could have a better discussion in a few weeks. But you're right, let's have this now, and if it gets kept, let's revisit it in a few weeks.

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is a memorial since it mentions his death and includes a link to a memonial site. We have citations from reliable sources (three major newspapers and a major television news network) to show his notability.

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meet some additional notability criterion, whatever that may be. That's what the delete opinions above are saying. I don't say this is wrong, but I do wonder if this is proposed as a general rule for WP.

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article. I strongly suggest that an uninvolved admin quickly close this out. This series of articles is highly visible and needs to be kept presentable, not having xFD templates all over creation. --

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Goodness - what happened here? I ended up on the wrong AfD. When I clicked on the 'holocaust surviving professor' I got sent to this page... Was that some sort of vandalism? I'm quite confused.

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He is not just a victim Tejastheory he is a HERO he SAVED A LIFE. This is not just a nice story. HE WAS A PART OF AMERICAN HISTORY. And his act IS notable. Or is saving a life not notable anymore?

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gets kept and that article can have a one-liner about each student telling their major or whatever, but we absolutely 100% do not need individual articles and it cannot be merged into the main

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doesn't. BTW, neither of those men had done anything prior to 9/11 that was notable; the actions leading to their deaths were sufficient to establish notability. Or better yet, let's look at

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that Librescu and Granata were noteworthy before the article due to their professional achievements -- especially Granata -- and Librescu was distinguished due to his widely noted heroism.

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is being retained without consideration for deletion. There was no wikipedia article about Librescu prior to his murder. The first history for his article shows up on April 17, 2007. Both

2340:. The point is that his notability is derived from a single event, which really isn't what I was trying to get across as the reason for deletion. Please read the next sentence in my nom. 2492:- I think it is far more intersting that the page had a link to a memorial site inline, indicating the true purpose of this page. Knowledge is not a memorial. He wasn't notable. Sorry. 438:, Since we are not debating on removing other victims pages, we should keep this one also. It is unfair to all wikipedia users and people to delete some victims pages but not others. 1871:. I have added 3 additional and different article cites about Waleed Shaalan's notable heroism to the main article from Sky News, USA Today and The Chronicle of Higher Education. 78:

Using Shaalan's death as an opportunity for evangelism is quite unsightly, and weighs heavily against the opinions of the "keep!!" SPAs at this AfD. The outcome of the debate is

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simply died of old age, there would be no article for him in Knowledge. I've already pointed out that indeed there was no article for him until April 17, 2007. What made him

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Finally, I was disturbed to read the following exhortation on the linked-to MuslimMatters site, which was probably responsible for some of the SPAs that flooded this AfD:

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reputable national and international sources that separately detail his heroism Waleed Shalaan has the requisite notability that separates him from the other victims.

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and by definition hadn't had time to accomplish anything. I look forward to seeing a page for every soldier killed in WW2 by the logic the "keep" voters are using

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Sorry, "other stuff exists" really isn't a valid argument - having an article that breaks the rules doesn't make it okay for other article to break the rules.

2328:- If he was truly non-notable, then he wouldn't even be mentioned in the main article or the list of victims; however, this point is obviously not true. From 1842:

To everyone considering a response: remember, don't feed the trolls. Taking this discussion further won't get us anywhere and will just detract from the AfD.

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inappropriate arguments like the Pokemon fallacy or Islamophobia, which I ignored. Ultimately, the delete side is in line with our 9-11 and Iraq precedent.

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Not notable before death and nothing about his death, even the claims of heroism, which are hardly substantiated, make him notable. Can be included in

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What "publications...honours and awards"? The current version of the article details no such items. Are the unmentioned items sufficient to pass

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if he or she has been the subject of secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent,6 and independent of the subject."

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WALEED SHAALAN SAVED A LIFE. HE MADE AMERICAN HISTORY BY SAVING A LIFE, THUS NOT ADDING TO THE DEATH TOLL. IS THAT NOT NOTABLE??

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have fought back against the hijackers (no source cited). If these people are notable, then certainly Shaalan is as well.

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per standard Notability guidelines. This person is not notable aside from the fact that he was a victim in the murders.

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otherwise. And where is it written that subjects with a single instance of notability don't get Knowledge articles?

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per nom. Knowledge is not a memorial. He isn't notable in any way. All he did was die. That isn't notable.

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debating removing other victims' page and some have already been removed as a result of these debates. --

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reports which not every soldier in every war has. To compare this to World War II is ridiculous! --

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.

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You already pointed out the flawed logic in the discussion below where I have left my reply.

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Who is the student that he supposedly saved? How come I have never found the student's name?

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doesn't make anyway notable - all of the professors have had to meet the requirements of

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notability of Waleed Shaalan and clearly distinguishes him from other victims who died.

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and this article solely focuses on his actions during the massacre and nothing else.

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my nom and accusing me of being an Islamophobe isn't helpful to the discussion.

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Appearantly nothing distiguishes him from the other victims.

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which even contains a photo of his memorial. Continue with

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Per the reasons stated on several other victim articles.

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Individual with single instance of notability related to

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I suggest nominate that article too for deletion. ---

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KEEP. The guy is a hero and is famous now in Egypt.

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