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215:); unsourced. I do not believe this article can be improved to the point where its inclusion can be justified. The article (and the book) is much like presenting one of Jack Chick's tracts as a Catechism, and is about as notable as a specific tract (as opposed to "Jack Chick" in general; and the analogy holds, as there is a "Malachi Martin" article, in which this should be a bibliographic mention - not an article of its own) Edit, note: the article itself doesn't represent much of what is in the book, claiming instead that it is "church history from Martin's perspective"; this snippet view from 256:. I don't know whether the claims within the book are accurate, as I had never heard of it until a few minutes ago. Nevertheless, we need to distinguish between describing Malachi Martin's claims and endorsing those claims. It is certainly possible to discuss a controversial book as making certain claims without Knowledge taking a position as to whether the book's claims are accurate. As indicated by news articles such as 263: 216: 171: 399:
Where did you find those sources? I searched Google, Google Books, and Google Scholar and came up empty (although I got enough refs on Gibbon to fill a truck). In any case, I withdraw my nomination in face of unanimous opposition.
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The 3 sources Metropolitan90 just provided, two serious reviews and an in depth discussion (critical of the book) show its notability. Material from these sources should be added to the article.
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as the nom suggests) about the concept. That way the article is defined as being about a particular book and the
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to make it very clear that the article is about a book and not about the actual decline and fall of the
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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review of the book, which can also be added to a "critical reception" section.. --
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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