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760:. Asked to return and voice an opinion, I believe the changes made to the article and the sources linked in my comment above are sufficient to demonstrate the subject meets the criteria for inclusion. I don't see a need for the article to be moved out of mainspace in order to be expanded before being moved back. All articles exist in mainspace as unfinished; some just need more work than others. -- 619:, even without there actually being a film (yet). In such cases the article should not use film article templates, but instead be treated as "film projects" and be presented then as non-film but film-related articles." There are plenty of alternate provisions to simply deleting the article, which should be explored as opposed to its complete erasure. 373:
I provided the sources linked above as reference, not because I intended to weigh in on this discussion. But sure... The essay you've linked to as your deletion rational states "A film could merit an article in Knowledge if it meets any of the various notability criteria as set out by guidelines at
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giving us an indicator that any pre-2013 news about Selick's relationship and Disney and this then-untitled project will not be under its current "firm title". Earlier references do exist if one searches for "Henry Selick's untitled stop motion feature". From 2010: Selick is hired by
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says "There are circumstances where reliable sources discuss an anticipated event, such as a proposed film, with enough depth and persistence so that discussion of the topic itself might meet notability through the
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in multiple sources then and now make the project notable enough for inclusion somewhere even if not in separate article. It should certainly be spoken of in more detail at the
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You don't think it's a problem that we know literally only one thing about this film? Or that literally 100% of the coverage came in a two day span? All we know is that it
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Err, excuse me TPH, but this is not ONE EVENT for those who look, as Disney's interest in The Shadow King can be traced back many years, despite the more recent coverage.
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Those are still from the same 3-day range, and all of them essentially say the same thing: that Selick will continue to make the movie without Disney's help.
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Easily found in a quick look are sources speaking about his "untitled project", we have 2012 speaking in detail about the untitled project being cancelled:
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director. The fact he's still going ahead with the film despite its abandonment by Disney represents a pivotal movmement in his career. Part of the
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shows "The film features significant involvement by a notable person and is a major part of his/her career," thereby warranting inclusion.
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So with respects, it is incorrect to imply that "literally 100% of the coverage" is found only in a "two day span." We look further and
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article, AND incubation of the AFD'd article is a suitable alternative to outright deletion... offering a place where
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section, which ones are not being met? By what policy or guideline are you suggesting this article be deleted? --
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as we learn that THAT title is only a recent event when reading a source speaking about Selick which states
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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However, the topic was not ready for an article then, though being then a cancelled project
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can be added through collaborative editing until a return to mainspace is deemed merited.
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assigned by the AFD template. Please see my longer response below.
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intended as instructional and cautionary, and not exclusionary.
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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Where? I saw no other coverage anywhere before this point.
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instructs how souracble information on this production's
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