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No, self published web sites such as WASM.RU are not reliable sources. Even if they are styled as magazines(VR-Online) or as an official publication of a niche operating system(Kolibri N10). They must have independent editorial processes and a reputation for fact checking. Reliable sources are things
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As far as I know, the uFMOD is the only XM player written in pure assembly. It's the first one available for FreeBSD and
KolibriOS. Maybe there are other reasons why it's notable. I'm still researching the topic. Some sources are so old that they are available through web archive only. An interesting
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I'm not claiming that Habr is a reliable source. That reference is useful to identify the author of the original article: real name, address, other publications and so forth. On the other hand, I don't understand why Sudo Null is not a reliable news site. They appear as a reference in many articles
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sudonull is an IT news site, not a blog; kolibri-n.org is a news site about
KolibriOS, probably the oldest one, known since 2007. There are references to this site in the official kolibrios.org website. WASM.RU was one of the very first low level programming sites, older than the Knowledge. I can't
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I've been digging and finding more interesting sources. This one is a review published in
Russian in 2011. It's interesting because the reviewer is saying that uFMOD is the only XM library written in assembly. He also mentions support for x64.Regarding that article in SudoNull mentioned earlier, I
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Randall Hyde et al were discussing in that mailing list 15 years ago (the first reference I posted above). Personally I don't think that writing a big project in assembly is notable per se. However, I do think that a multiplatform project written in pure assembly is
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magazine. Some of their editions are still available for download in PDF. You can also find their books on Apple books and other bookstores. I didn't say that the other sources are not reliable. I just didn't find enough facts to prove their reliability.
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Knowledge. They are not self publishing because the article was originally published in a different site, in a different language. Even if you don't like Sudo Null, there are still other references like WASM and Kolibri N10.
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The WASM community pioneered the Zen
Programming subculture. If you google for "History of one byte by Dmitry Galuscenko" you will find that it was originally published in WASM. Another suitable, independent and reliable source is
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Kolibri and the only static player for Linux seems rather notable as well. Based on the other references, I think it's also the smallest XM player.
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