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194:- an edit-war is a content dispute, and as such is not valid grounds for deletion. However, there does not appear to be any reliable sources to establish notability. There appears to be some claim to local notability in some of the keep arguments from the previous AFD that resulted in "no consensus", but again, I can't find any sources to even establish that. -- 290:. The only reason why I mentioned the content dispute was to add weight to the argument β€” we cannot have a neutral article without any sources and an army of editors with a conflict of interest, so that it is bound to be either a battleground or a biased non-verifiable mess. -- 391:
Besides which, heck, I've been in Fredericton. It's a freaking small city, and if it wasn't the provincial capital and the site of the University of New Brunswick there'd be 57 people there. The kind of local club worthy of Knowledge articles are like
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excluding mirrors; whilst some of these just list it as a venue, there are enough that actually discuss it to convince me that it's a focal point of the Canadian hard-left scene & warrants its own page. Two of the three reasons given by the nom
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who has been introducing the unsourced "controversy" section and an anonymous editor removing it; both admit to having been/being part of the organization, thus having a
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is correct; 38 unique hits - most of which are Knowledge mirrors and their own releases - is pathetically low, and has zero
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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and edit wars) are invalid reasons for nomination, and the third (lack of attribution) seems easily addressed.
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Given the lack of reliable sources and the edit wars on this article, I feel that it is best deleted. --
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to play. Fredericton's not a place likely to generate an indie venue of that degree of notability.
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and does not cite any sources. Google yields only 49 results, none of which appear to be reliable,
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached
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single shops are rarely noteable and no reliable sources showing this one is.
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because there should be sources. It seems notable enough to keep trying.
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
328:. Even 600 G-hits would be, in fact, pretty damn low, but 104: 100: 96: 227:Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, 39:). No further edits should be made to this page. 167:were also a part of the cafe. This violates COI. 48:. If you have any questions, please contact me at 483:). No further edits should be made to this page. 8: 135:The article has been a battleground between 71:Underground Cafe and Alternative Bookstore 63:Underground Cafe and Alternative Bookstore 7: 353:In light of the above, changing to 24: 137:User:TakingYourselfTooSeriously 18:Knowledge:Articles for deletion 1: 361:they publicise themselves as 132:article cannot be written. 500: 464:21:42, 24 April 2007 (UTC) 448:19:27, 24 April 2007 (UTC) 421:11:02, 29 April 2007 (UTC) 409:18:39, 23 April 2007 (UTC) 387:18:14, 23 April 2007 (UTC) 345:17:46, 23 April 2007 (UTC) 309:12:53, 22 April 2007 (UTC) 295:12:16, 22 April 2007 (UTC) 278:11:08, 22 April 2007 (UTC) 232:08:16, 22 April 2007 (UTC) 213:06:46, 20 April 2007 (UTC) 199:20:25, 16 April 2007 (UTC) 175:TakingYourselfTooSeriously 151:18:51, 16 April 2007 (UTC) 57:13:31, 29 April 2007 (UTC) 476:Please do not modify it. 32:Please do not modify it. 161:Virgin_Molotov_Cocktail 121:Article does not claim 434:Potentially useful. -- 173:comment was added by 141:conflict of interest 383: 274: 234: 186: 491: 478: 405: 385: 382: 377: 374: 369: 341: 334:reliable sources 276: 273: 268: 265: 260: 226: 223: 168: 112: 94: 34: 499: 498: 494: 493: 492: 490: 489: 488: 487: 481:deletion review 474: 403: 378: 370: 365: 362: 339: 288:only 38 results 269: 261: 256: 253: 221: 169:β€”The preceding 85: 69: 66: 44:The result was 37:deletion review 30: 22: 21: 20: 12: 11: 5: 497: 495: 486: 485: 469: 468: 467: 466: 428: 427: 426: 425: 424: 423: 411: 348: 347: 311: 298: 297: 245:over 600 Ghits 236: 235: 225: 217: 216: 215: 201: 188: 187: 119: 118: 65: 60: 42: 41: 25: 23: 15: 14: 13: 10: 9: 6: 4: 3: 2: 496: 484: 482: 477: 471: 470: 465: 462: 458: 455:: Please see 454: 451: 450: 449: 446: 443: 440: 437: 433: 430: 429: 422: 419: 416: 412: 410: 407: 406: 399: 395: 390: 389: 388: 384: 381: 380:(talk to me!) 375: 373: 368: 360: 356: 352: 351: 350: 349: 346: 343: 342: 335: 331: 327: 323: 319: 315: 312: 310: 307: 303: 300: 299: 296: 293: 289: 285: 282: 281: 280: 279: 275: 272: 271:(talk to me!) 266: 264: 259: 251: 246: 242: 241: 233: 230: 229:Mailer Diablo 224: 219: 218: 214: 211: 210: 205: 202: 200: 197: 193: 190: 189: 184: 180: 176: 172: 166: 162: 158: 155: 154: 153: 152: 149: 144: 142: 138: 133: 131: 127: 124: 116: 110: 106: 102: 98: 93: 89: 84: 80: 76: 72: 68: 67: 64: 61: 59: 58: 55: 51: 47: 40: 38: 33: 27: 26: 19: 475: 472: 452: 431: 414: 402: 397: 379: 371: 366: 354: 338: 313: 301: 287: 283: 270: 262: 257: 239: 238: 237: 220: 207: 203: 191: 156: 145: 134: 120: 50:my talk page 45: 43: 31: 28: 394:Club Passim 359:City Lights 404:RGTraynor 340:RGTraynor 130:verifiable 123:notability 457:WP:USEFUL 413:I agree. 204:weak keep 54:Ian Manka 418:Eusebeus 183:contribs 171:unsigned 165:ChrisErb 115:View log 453:Comment 322:WP:CORP 314:Delete: 284:Comment 157:Comment 128:thus a 88:protect 83:history 415:Delete 398:failed 367:irides 355:Delete 326:WP:ORG 316:Fails 302:delete 258:irides 250:WP:COI 192:Delete 92:delete 46:delete 461:intgr 459:. -- 372:centi 330:intgr 292:intgr 263:centi 148:intgr 109:views 101:watch 97:links 16:< 432:Keep 318:WP:V 306:Geni 240:Keep 196:Whpq 179:talk 163:and 105:logs 79:talk 75:edit 363:- 254:- 209:DGG 113:– ( 320:, 243:- 185:). 181:β€’ 159:: 107:| 103:| 99:| 95:| 90:| 86:| 81:| 77:| 52:. 445:i 442:m 439:e 436:R 324:/ 248:( 177:( 117:) 111:) 73:(

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Knowledge:Articles for deletion
deletion review
my talk page
Ian Manka
13:31, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
Underground Cafe and Alternative Bookstore
Underground Cafe and Alternative Bookstore
edit
talk
history
protect
delete
links
watch
logs
views
View log
notability

verifiable
User:TakingYourselfTooSeriously
conflict of interest
intgr
18:51, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Virgin_Molotov_Cocktail
ChrisErb
unsigned
TakingYourselfTooSeriously
talk
contribs

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