Knowledge:Articles for deletion/Universal life church world headquarters

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to follow in his Father's footsteps, he would just assume being local Pastor for the ULC Church in Modesto, CA. Also there is a letter floating around on the internet where Andre clearly states the ULC Seminary is just a "Known site" that it is not an authorized ULC site. He states in addition that ULC.NET a sole proprietorship led by Kevin Andrews is authorized to sell ULC items and that it is the only authorized site, other than ulchq.com This is why the ulchq.com site has not been updated for almost seven years. It is also why the Universal Life Church page cannot be updated, because Andre Hensley chooses not too. As stated in the Modesto Bee article and by Andre himself, he does not want too. Instead what is happening is that Amy Long who operates "Quest Ministries of the Universal Life Church and ULC Seminary, Inc." which can be corroborated by the Secretary of State in California, is looking to keep the Universal Life Church Knowledge page updated and catered to her ULC Seminary, which is a fictitious name. The ulchq.com site was last updated before Lida Hensley passed in 2006. Only Andre Hensley can answer the why for his actions since, just maybe Andre Hensley has a conscience, something Kirby Hensley never had. Kirby Hensley was on his way to jail, but it was his death that prevented such and led to a million dollar fine levied by the IRS against the ULC of Modesto. The Universal Life Church page should be updated, but it won't be because the ULC in Modesto does not want too and this should be noted, as it stands right now folks are being deceived to think otherwise to enable Amy Smith Long to prosper. In the Universal Life Church World Headquarters you have an organization thriving and growing. There is notability to those without blinders who refuse to take them off because of a loyalty to a Church that is really no longer there. Kirby's Church is no longer. Again Andre has a conscience and appears to be doing what is right. Knowledge needs to let Kirby Hensley rest in peace and to give Andre Hensley what he truly wants.11:34, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

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153 couples joined in civil unions in the first seven weeks this year - through Feb. 17 - 118 took part in ceremonies officiated by a religious denomination, and the other 35 were in ceremonies in which a judge presided .... Of the 118 religious ceremonies, 69 were performed by officiants affiliated with the Universal Life Church. .... All but eight of the 153 civil unions have been for same-sex couples ...." The quote from Daniel Chapin which you quote above indicates that the ULCHQ believes that marriage should be between a man and a woman, yet the Star Advertiser article is about civil unions, most of which were performed for same-sex couples. If the ULCHQ does not support same-sex marriage, I would be surprised to find their ministers performing at least 61 civil unions for same-sex couples in a single state in a period of only seven weeks -- more than one a day. It seems more likely to me that most of those civil unions for same sex couples performed by ministers of the "Universal Life Church" were performed by ministers of the ULC of Modesto or other "Universal Life" groups rather than the ULCHQ. The Star Advertiser article is a source establishing that the ULCHQ exists, is based in Carrabelle, and is not to be confused with other "Universal Life" churches. But it is not a source that supports the claim that "Universal Life Church World Headquarters ministers are also involved in officiating over numerous faith based weddings throughout the United States, including Hawaii according to the Honolulu Star Advertiser." The Star Advertiser article does not mention specifically that ULCHQ ministers have performed any weddings in Hawaii. --

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modifications to the Other ULC page was made by other WIKI Editors. This being noted, we could continue the verbal volleyball discussion in this regard, however, it is my contention and goal as an editor/contributor to attempt to keep an unbiased view and create an informative and professional WIKI page for the Universal Life Church World Headquarters; which is both succinct and meets the demands of an Encyclopedic page as defined by WIKI. To this effect, please note below the current and past edits/modifications I have done on the ULCHQ WIKI page. While It appears to me, personally, that there may be potential, definitive Editorial bias from other WIKI Editors, I could be wrong and, regardless, this should not interfere with the creation of a ULCHQ page so long as the page meets WIKI standards for creation. This should remain our focus and good faith edits to do so have been made by myself. I trust that collectively those individuals involved in this discussion to date, coupled with any new editors who add to this discussion in the future will refrain from personal attacks, assumptions, etc.... Now, returning back to the edits made to create a positive, verifiable, informative and unique page so as to avoid page deletion and create the recognition the organization I believe deserves, please note some of the modifications made which I believe add credibility to the site :

1890:- You are making changes to the site obviously to help and it is appreciated, however, please note that in regard to your edit on the Star Advertiser, you need to read the full article prior to your statement that it refers to the Modesto, Universal Life Church... Here is a Direct quote from the full article - please amend your changes to the ULHQ site and the Star Advertiser link. You are assuming the Star Advertiser piece is about the Universal Life Church. You are incorrect. It states in the article and I quote: "There are several variations of the name and ministries associated with “Universal Life Church.” They are not affiliated with the Universal Life Church World Headquarters, a Christian organization based in Carrabelle, FL., which upholds traditional marriage between a man and woman, according to the Rev. Daniel Chapin, national vice president and head pastor of the Aloha Church of Kapolei." You will note that article uses Universal Life Church throughout the article, but it is only an abbreviated form of the Universal Life Church World Headquarters. This article is huge in the fact that it clearly SEPARATES the two Churches. This validates the differences and clearly identifies Headquarters as in Carrabelle, FL 2061:"Rev. Dr. Joel Lamoure is a multiple national and international award-winning Associate Professor in the Departments of Psychiatry and Medicine at the Schulich School of Medicine and Dentistry (SSMD), and Assistant Director of CME-Department of Psychiatry, University of Western Ontario and Teaching Associate, Faculty of Pharmacy, University of Toronto. In his hospital clinical practice, he serves as a psychiatric pharmacist at London Health Sciences Centre, Victoria Hospital. On the research side of the bench, Dr. Lamoure is an Associate Scientist at the Lawson Health Research Institute, affiliated with the London Hospitals. He is an Accreditor with Accreditations Canada specializing in medication management and mental health with an interest in infection control and ambulatory care. There are almost a dozen Ask The Expert publications written in Medscape written by Professor Lamoure. Starting in December 2008, Joel took over as the Medical Psychiatry Consultant expert for the Canadian Journal of CME and Pharmacy Mental Health expert for Pharmacy Gateway (Canadian Healthcare Network). He has recently been inducted into membership with the European Congress of Neuropsychopharmacology (ECNP). 2698:

Advertiser, The Better Business Bureau, the Olelo Television Network as well as reference to the ULCHQ own site (Doing So Is Often Standard Across WIKI pages. However as per WIKI guidelines, the ULCHQ site is not the sole reference point). Please note that these, along with the PR Releases as published and referred to, are valid references as they require verification outside of the ULCHQ as well prior to public posting, which was indeed accomplished. 3 - Created informative information for this WIKI page so as to meet WIKI standards of uniqueness and importance including the information provided on the ULCHQ home based credential courses and outreach programs including the WALMART food program (Which while available to any organization to sign up as a part of is only provided by the ULCHQ), the Youth Ministry (Which is unique to the ULCHQ) and the Children's Miracle Network (3rd Party Reference To Honors Certificate and Program Information is provided on the page) 4 - In all of the above information on the ULCHQ WIKI page was included with consorted attempt to avoid promotional bias.

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Church World Headquarters and specifically a date of ordination. This also complies with notability. By itself perhaps not, but in conjunction with the Star advertiser of Hawaii, clearly however minimal it may be it meets the criteria of notability. I compare edits, both you and Me-123567 have made excessive edits on the Universal Life Church page, with Me-123567 it appears to be hundreds. It appears Me-123567 has been sanctioned for prior edit wars regarding the page. Obviously there is ties with the Universal Life Church. The author of this page DID NOT put in or request a redirect of the Universal Life Church page to this page yesterday and he only requested deletion after someone requested deletion of this page. There is definitely room for two pages here. One for the Universal Life Church and one for Universal Life Church World Headquarters. In fact I believe the latter is better written and is better cited.

2339:- Contrary to RileyRickters note that, "There are no links that support this topic being inherently notable anywhere other than on their own site and in their own PR releases," It was noted in the above that there have been numerous 3rd party additions to this WIKI site to verify its independence and notability including the Honolulu Star Advertiser, Olelo Television, and the European Television inclusion of the ULCHQ on their page along with verifiable references to the page's uniqueness and contributions which justify keeping the ULCHQ Wiki page including references to Make A Wish Foundation and the Better Business Bureau. Since There Does Not Seem To Be A Consensus Here and The Argument By a Few Seems to Be Circular, and given the changes made by editors of the WIKI page the page should be kept and the AFD tag removed from the page. 1210:

page. Given that there is clearly confusion in regards to the two seperate ULC entities and given that Knowledge's informative/encyclopedia nature, perhaps having up both pages will serve to clear reader confusion as well as provide accurate updated information. To me the Universal Life Church World Headquarters appears to be truly notable and informative. Has anyone bothered to read the Honolulu Star and its article distinguishing from the Universal Life Church World Headquarters? If a syndicated National Newspaper is not notable I do not know what is. Also, according to the Universal Life Church World Headquarters, main link as posted on their current WIKI page there are verifiable links and webpages which appear notable to many individuals and organizations which refer to the organization and its reach. See

2014:- Thank You for your input and time. We are making progress here in discussing and creating a clear, concise WIKI page for the Universal Life Church World Headquarters. This is, and should be, the goal collectively to better clarify and provide obviously needed and important information regarding the ULCHQ in general as well as its seperate identity from other ULC organizations for WIKI encyclopedic readers. Editors of the ULCHQ WIKI page are working diligently and will make edits to ensure your, and others noted, constructive edits are succinct and paralleled by the cited third party sources and will clarify the changes and information as addressed in recent discussion. Again, obviously the value of having the ULCHQ page included in Knowledge is being uncovered. 803:

Church World Headquarters, a Christian organization based in Carrabelle, FL., which upholds traditional marriage between a man and woman, according to the Rev. Daniel Chapin, national vice president and head pastor of the Aloha Church of Kapolei.)" You will note that article uses Universal Life Church throughout the article, but it is only an abbreviated form of the Universal Life Church World Headquarters. This article is huge in the fact that it clearly SEPARATES the two Churches. This validates the differences and clearly identifies Headquarters as in Carrabelle, FL. This article identifies Daniel Chapin as the vice president, if you go to the staff page of the Universal Life Church World Headquarters, you will see Daniel Chapin as vice president:

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ordained. With the ULC World Headquarters you need to see who is behind it, it is setup as if it were a part of the the Holy See, an ordained Roman Catholic Bishop is its leader. The ULC World Headquarters in Carrabelle is just that the World Headquarters. It has affiliate Churches throughout the world, and it broadcasts on its live 365/24/7 radio station. It is set up nearly verbatim to the Vatican. With respect to membership, you can take the individuals who belong to affiliate and/or charter churches, you could consider social engines, you could consider the listening audience. There is many tangibles to be considered, but again ULC World HQ does not make membership claims or talks of ordaining 18 million ministers. 12:12, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

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to the ULCHQ site, e.g., the Star Advertiser, OLELO Television, et al. This individual also did not do the research which prooves the ULCHQ Advisory Board's existence. Nevertheless this is not really the issue here. The ULCHQ WIKI page is notable and necessary if only to provide needed lines between two known ULC Organizations and the services that it provides seems certainly worthwhile. Even more pertinent here is that progress is being made to create a WIKI page which offers good citations, notability of services offered by the organization, etc., offered by unbiased WIKI editors. Simply Deleting A page such as this would be a disservice to the WIKI community. Move To Keep Page Without Prejudice.

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information provided is verifiable and even increasingly so the last few days with 3rd party sources (see above links). Additionally the goal of this forum as outlined by Wikepedia is to offer aide to keep a page not simply randomly deleate a page due to disagreement with doctrine, tenets, etc.... And the information provided on the page as I see it is offering additionally information on an organizations service and service reach while differentiating an important difference structural between two ULC entities. The oabove user David opts for a "Speedy Deletion," but the editors previously noted it worthy of discussion - Not speedy deletion as it does not meet the criteria for such.

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Universal Life Church World Headquarters WIKI Page is factual, with citations and current information and should be KEPT! In any event, in summation the Universal Life Church & The Universal Life Church World Headquarters are Two VERY Seperate entities. Best Case Scenario here would be to delete the Universal Life Church WIKI page as in part it is using the Incorporated and Registered Non profit name of the Universal Life Church World Headquarters and keep the Universal Life Church World Headquarters WIKI page. Case in Point as Well is that the WIKI page for the Universal Life Church has noone updating it and no credible, expert information

2095:, is a link to the ULCHQ own page where they have filled out a form to be an affiliate (which anyone can do) and the last notes by JordanFrancis about the notability of Dr. Joel Lamore and the ULCHQ having a "medical advisory board" are very questionable looking. It appears this doctor was given a random title within the church but other than that has nothing to do with it... there is no ULCHQ medical advisory to be a board member of. This is a person pursuing their own self interest by writing a confusing article to convolute the subject. It is some strange form of self promotion. 2301:

so it gained their attention. Does someone editing the ULC talk page make them inherently biased to ULC? Of course not. I do not limit my edits to pages for things that I support; I've edited thousands of different pages of Knowledge, and have been editing it for over half a decade now. I have no connection to the ULC, nor have I any reason to promote them. Your description of the "objective of Knowledge" is not well informed. If you don't want people who disagree with you to be able to edit your page, then Knowledge is not the place to be putting it. --

1820:, "William Clinton became an ordained Minister. These Ministers are all well documented." I personally do not know whether President Bill Clinton was ordained by the ULC in Modesto or the ULCHQ or by anybody at all. I have not seen any reliable sources stating that he was ordained or which church ordained him if he was. But if he was ordained by the ULCHQ, someone needs to provide a reliable source that says so. And if he was not ordained by the ULCHQ, then he is not relevant to this AfD and should not have been mentioned in the first place. -- 2411:. At the end of the discussion (7–10 days from initial listing), an administrator who has not otherwise been involved will evaluate whether there is consensus, based on the discussion here, to keep the article or delete it. (If the administrator feels there is no consensus, s/he may relist it for extended discussion or may close the discussion as "no consensus", in which case the article will stay up.) Any appeal would need to show that Knowledge's discussion guidelines were not followed in the course of closing the discussion. — 477:

the Greek Language which means universal. The Headquarters as stated and authenticated by the IRS, the State of Florida and as cited in the Universal Life Church World Headquarters, Inc. NO WHERE is the Universal Life Church that started as LIFE CHURCH noted by authoritative figures as Headquarters. The Secretary of State requires of organizations to use their full name of incorporation and not deviate from the name of which they incorporated under. Modesto is not Headquarters, Carrabelle is.

2787:, this discussion is not like a spoken conversation - your previous comment is still on the page and readable, so it is disruptive to copy-paste a second copy of it here. For that reason, I've removed your second copy of your comment. Of that comment, only your point #2 is relevant to this discussion, because that's the only point that addresses the notability of this organization. However, almost all of your points there are incorrect- press releases do not meet 1930:- In regard to your question in regards to the "Importance" of cited article reference to the instructors of the ediucational courses offered by the ULCHQ, please note that this is important on two levels. 1) Shows the distinctive educational service offered through the ULCHQ by instructors of eaccredited Universities. This is distinct and notable as well as informative for WIKI readers to know and further establishes uniqueness of ULCHQ 1186:. All you need to do is provide us with the newspaper articles, magazine articles, and books that have been written about this organization. It's pretty clear that you're an active member of the organization, so if the sources exist, you're the person here most likely to know where those sources have been published. If no one else is writing in any significant way about this organization, then Knowledge can't be the first. - 1658:

religious freedom. They are a Christian based organization tarnishing the ULC doctrine and its ministers through religious exclusion and bigotry. The inclusion into Knowledge would hurt all ministers ordained through the original ULC (Modesto) as well as other legitimate ULC’s. I know that this could be look at as an opinion and since Knowledge is all about NPOV and reliable sources I will cite actual reasons for deletion.

1104:, which require significant coverage in reliable, independent sources. While the organization's title indicates that they may have a global presence, no actual reliable or independent sources are provided to support this claim. Additionally, the ordination of individuals that may live in other regions or countries is not indicative of notability based on a national or international scope of activities. Best regards, 875:

suspect that the site cited is merely recycling the church's own exaggerated claims. I would like to see something that gave a breakdown of this figure between countries to show whehter it is credible. I agree that teh article under discussion reads far too much like an advert. I have little idea whehter the HQ is notable: it appears to include a seminary, but we are given no indication of its size.

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network, national TV and has public speaking engagements throughout the world. Actor Max Ryan is also a minister. William Clinton became an ordained Minister. These Ministers are all well documented. Danny Bonaduce has indicated on Facebook and on his radio show how he is an ordained Minister with the ULC World Headquarters.

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consensus must be reached, not a consensus by numbers, but a consensus of all contributors. I can't speak for the author, but it appears to me he or she is looking to appease Knowledge policy concerning promotion. Using celebrities is a promotional tool, if documentation becomes necessary, I'm sure such can be provided.

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immediate move toward deletion of a page. Should the WIKI editors look at other WIKI pages, for example the other Universal Life Church page, along with other numerous encyclopedia pages which have nothing to do with the ULC, they will note that there are correction and other revision requests but no "deletion," notes.

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question. In fact I would not be suprised if both of these "individuals" are Michael Cauley himself as they seem to have the same jumbled writing style that is meant to confuse. No new information here and no third party unbiased reliable sources to back up these claims. The claim to be in a retail relationship with

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that is clearly notability. What other Church ever on this planet ordained a former President?There is clear bias for this other ULC, several of you who do not support inclusion have a history of multiple edits on Universal Life Church page, of reverting pages or changes when someone attempts to correct it.

1974:- Additionally, you noted an edit on the first section of the ULCHQ WIKI page that there was not found a citation on the 1982 founding of the ULCHQ as noted by the BBB. Please note that there is in fact a notation and this factor is included in the citation provided atthe bottom of the cited page. Thanks. 2701:

All of the aforementioned asserted, as I have alluded to in previous posts, the ULCHQ page should be kept (Amended As Necessary) and not deleted. In part, this is true if only to differentiate between two very seperate organizations with very seperate and unique histories and current programming. The

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which defines bias as self published sources. This is PURELY cited with self published links and pr releases directly from the church itself, needs to be tagged *THIRD PARTY* for deletion. There are no links that support this topic being inherently notable anywhere other than on their own site and in

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Rev. Dr. Lamoure is a listee in numerous publications recognizing his work including the Canadian Book of Who?s Who (2008, 2009, 2010 Centennial Ed, 2011 editions), and the prestigious referenced Marquis Book of ?Who?s Who in Medicine in the World? (7th, 8th and 9th International editions starting in

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does not say that "An article is not subject to deletion if famous people are listed." At least it doesn't as of this writing, and if someone tried to add that statement, it would be an incorrect statement of Knowledge guidelines. I have no connection to the ULC in Modesto other than that I had heard

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Obviously the last post is biased toward the other ULC in Modesto and personal opinion does not warrant a page deletion on Wikepedia. The Editors of the ULCHQ page have obviously added even in the last few days reliable sources to theior unique work as an organizationother than their own website and

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G11. Unambiguous advertising or promotion. Clearly there is a lack of reliable third party sources for ULCHQ to cite. Therefore, they must augment and try to fool Knowledge through linking to their own site for reliability. This page is exclusively promotional and doesn’t present any NPOV content.

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I was only able to read the beginning of the article, as the rest required registration. The beginning indicated that the main subject of that article was not the Universal Life Church World Headquarters. Have any articles been written anywhere that do have this organization as their main subject?

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with a dab-suffix to distinguish them, my suggested merge target becoming a dabpage -- I have to express doubt as to the alleged size of this denomination worldwide at 18 million adherents. It is conceivable that 18 million accept its doctrinal basis, but that is nothing even close to membership. I

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The "Universal Life Church" WIKI page already has tags showing that it is both outdated as well as illustrates need for expert attention and has outdated information. It should be deleted AND The wiki Page created "Universal Life Church World Headquarters" SHOULD BE APPROVED AND its' replacement. The

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Yes CFred it is about content, not about retaliation. What went down with the ULC page has no bearing on this attack of our page. Metropolitan has offered suggestions, and we've met those, we've also added other notable content. I think it would be in the best interest of all to remove this tag now,

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I believe the disputes are personal, and I believe third party intervention will agree. There are no issues or disputes regarding this page from any editor that has not actively posted frequently on the Universal Life Church page, not a one. Any new names are new accounts. But again every editor who

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and those falsehoods should not steer the conversation. Are people who were editing the ULC article now editing this one? Yes, because after someone tried to destroy the ULC article and replace it with a promo page for the ULCHQ, this deletion discussion was mentioned on the ULC article's talk page,

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This Editor Here Is Obviously Both A New Editor And New To This Discussion & Wiki in general. Visiting the previous editors discussions as well as the other 3rd party links from the ULCHQ Wiki Site will only serve to educate this editor and other parties that not all the links provided link back

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Regarding the courses from Professors of accredited Universities, the uniqueness is while they maybe available from the publisher as any text maybe, they are not available at the cost ULC World HQ can offer them for. The publisher does offer discounts once in great blue moon. The ULC World HQ offers

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that the other Universal Life Church page seeks. Let me explain, you make mention of the Modesto Bee article. There was actually two Modesto Bee articles, if you read the one, Andre Hensley who is the President of Universal Life Church, Inc., of Modesto, CA. clearly states how he doesn't really want

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Editors & Contributors - Allow me to clarify that I personally made no purposeful edits to any other ULC WIKI page with the exception of This WIKI page, The Universal Life Church World Headquarters, Inc., which has been in discussion here. It was my understanding that original Delete/Copy/Paste

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I recommend that if your goal is to prevent the deletion of this page, you ground yourself in knowledge of Knowledge procedure and guidelines, and not in inventions and attempts to rewrite history. The administrator's job in the closing of an AfD is to find a consensus within the accurate arguments

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I suggest to research Church of Scientology and what Knowledge opted to do and I believe they will do the same with the ULC of Modesto. For the record as The Monastery has so diligently pointed out, I possess data bases for both the ULC Modesto and the Monastery of their Ministers which includes IP

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These entities are clearly different, they are each unique and each have their place here within Knowledge. I will say this and metropolitan will attest, I was going to look to shut down, to delete the other Knowledge page. I chose not to because it is not very professional nor the correct route to

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Joel was awarded a Fellowship in the American Society of Consultant Pharmacists (Geriatrics) in 2000, and completed his D.D. in 2011 with the Universal Life Church. Areas of interest and research include medical conditions that overlap and augment the severity of psychiatric disorders, patient care

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He has won the Western Teaching Roll of Honour in Medicine for the past 5 academic years, the most recent being the 2009-2010 academic year . He has also won the UWO CME Award in Medicine for 2007 and the University Of Toronto Teaching Award in 2006. He has published over 100 journal papers, poster

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I looked up the full article on a library database, and you are correct to say that the ULCHQ is mentioned in the Star Advertiser article with the quote you provide there. However, I do not believe that the rest of the article has to do with the ULCHQ. Here are some quotes from the article: "Of the

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What I see here on this is a page is a war being waged by individuals loyal to the ULC in Modesto. Many of these DELETE REQUESTS are from those who are extremely active on the ULC Modesto page. Ideally Knowledge's desire is to see a creative discussion and suggestion to retain a page rather than to

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Fisherqueen obviously didnt read the above text from the Honolulu Star Advertiser nor read the entire article on their site about the Universal Life Church as it clearly discuss the Headquarters site in question here. I propose the site, Universal Life Church World Headquarters, be kept on the WIKI

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Take away you and your pro ULC Modesto Ministers and there is NO issues with this page by any other editor that can't be fixed and that this page not be deleted. You are looking to delete it out vindictiveness, retaliation and to diffuse your competition. You have clearly admitted this in what you

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NatGertler - I assure you no one set out to destroy your page, neither myself or PastorBodhi1 had anything to do with it. It was BlanchardB who attempted to destroy it by claiming it was outdated. It is quite evident you are not willing to work with us, so be it. If this page is taken down we will

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as saying "An article is not subject to deletion if famous people are listed.". The only place the term "famous people" appears on that page is in "Keep: there are lots of famous people on this list, so it's notable."... and to use that as an argument for notability overlooks the very title of the

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A7. No indication of importance (individuals, animals, organizations, web content). There is nothing of any significance presented in the article that will help Knowledge readers gain clarity on what the ULCHQ does. Much of the content is misleading. For example, “The Universal Life Church World

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The significance of this article again is huge, it complies with Knowledge with respect to Notability for this page and it differentiates between the two which is in contrast to blanchardb spammy claims. Also you failed to mention Lisa Williams Knowledge Page and how it mentions the Universal Life

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The other Universal Life Church as the article states was founded in 1959 as LIFE CHURCH. "Universal Life" is a long standing Christian/Catholic name that has seen many Churches named such over the years beginning in 107AD when St Ignatius of Antioch first termed it, using the word katholikos from

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The author of this page and I have have added a great deal of notable, 3rd party information and there is reason to believe and/or to expect even more over the coming months, pending a potential review process if such becomes necessary. This Universal Life Church World Headquarters has a place on

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If that was the only reason cited, no it doesn't meet the criteria for inclusion. However the fact Lisa Williams is ordained, the fact this Honolulu paper did publish an article and that this Church has ordained former politicians and judges, including the ordination of President William Clinton,

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As Per Knowledge Guidelines User:Me123567, "If you're involved in the deletion process, please don't limit your comment to "non-notable" or "nn". This comment has come to mean nothing more than "I want this article deleted" and/or "I think this article shouldn't be on Knowledge", and may give the

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I concur with NatGertler & JamesBWatson but would add (i) One mention in a reliable source does not necessarily establish notability and although external does the Star Advertiser really qualify as a sufficiently knowledgeable source to back notablility (furthermore, which ULC is it refering

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Wow. That is an impressive blanket of falsehood. That the same message claims both that BlanchardB did the change to the ULC page and that he has never edited the ULC page is an achievement. But it is not a technique that is apt to move things forward, nor is inventing "admissions" on my behalf,

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NatGertler you are just looking to argue, again the objective of Knowledge is not to see this page deleted, but rather to work together to make revisions. Metropolitan appears to be the only neutral contributor and who looks to comply with Knowledge. Articles in Knowledge look to inform, you are

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Also the “Vocations” section says: “The Universal Life Church World Headquarters is unique in the sense that it is perhaps the only Church in the world with both an online and offline presence that offers ordination, following an individual's baptism, as a Non-denominational Faith Based Minister

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Natgertler - You are assuming the Star Advertiser piece is about the Universal Life Church. You are incorrect. It states in the article and I quote: "(There are several variations of the name and ministries associated with “Universal Life Church.” They are not affiliated with the Universal Life

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1 - Edited WIKI Page To Ensure All Information Was Factual and Unique To The Universal Life Church World Headquarters 2 - Added 3rd party references to the ULCHQ WIKI page as required by WIKI to show organizations merit and uniqueness including references made to the ULCHQ by the Honolulu Star

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Preface: ULCHQ is a fraudulent and misleading organization. Allowing a Knowledge Page on ULCHQ would hurt the overall credibility of Knowledge. The fact that their name includes ULC (Universal Life Church) is misleading because they don’t share any of the same fundamental ULC beliefs, notably

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Also added Church Vice President, Daniel B Chapin and the Church plant of another outreach ministry in Hawaii through Public Television Additionally, the Universal Life Church Church World Headquarters, Vice President, Pastor Daniel B Chapin claims activity in establishing ministries across the

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In addition to the above I assert that the true issue contention here is that the Universal Life Church World Headquarters WIKI page should be afforded the opportunity to address and, if necessary, revise any editor concerns regarding "Notability," or other content issues first as opposed to an

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Unfortunately, much of the above discussion is of little or no relevance, for various reasons. However, if we sift through all the chaff and look at those parts of the discussion which relate to the question "are there reliable independent sources showing that the subject satisfies Knowledge's

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This is an attack, NatGertler by his own self admission stated this was discussed on the Talkpage for the ULC, and it is because someone took down the ULC page. That was not us. This display is clear and rest assured this administrator will be checking IP addresses and noting the newly created

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Regarding the promotional aspect, this is a fine line at times which I think we all understand. This is not the forum for personal opinions but constructive focus. I think the information provided is simply factual evidence which can, yes be seen by some as promotional. But clearly much of the

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Knowledge uses newspapers, magazines only as examples, independent verification is not limited to such venues. Please keep this in mind. Knowledge itself considers Lisa Williams to be famous and unique to allow her a page within Knowledge. Lisa Williams appears on this Churches worldwide radio

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First Rules of Wiki 1.neutral point of view (NPOV) means representing fairly, proportionately, and as far as possible without bias, all significant views that have been published by reliable sources. The arguments given by JordainFrancis and Pastorbodhi1 are all links back to the very site in

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Regarding Bill Clinton, obviously you are showing your connection to the ULC Modesto, just because the ULC Modesto uses celebrity ordinations on Knowledge, this does not justify or require other ULC's to do so. Knowledge is not designed for promotional purposes. For this page to be deleted a

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We have added the below references so as to address some of the editors concerns regarding 3rd party reference including to the recognition of the Universal Life Church World Headquarters further establishing notability and International Influence We have also included the Corporation .

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No to all the above claims. The Better Business Bureau entry is a database entry, and database entries do not indicated notability under Knowledge guidelines. The DMOZ is both a database and publicly editable, so it fails as a reliable source and doesn't provide significant coverage anyway.

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BlanchardB reverted and redirected the other ULC site initially, because he felt the two were the same and that the other was outdated, he saw the tags and because of that he made the change at his discretion. PastorBodhi1 nor I made this change or redirect initially and you know it.

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Excuse my mistake for not including BlanchardB. BlanchardB and Metropolitan90 are the ONLY TWO editors or administrators who have made no edits of the ULC page. But you yourself corrected BlanchardB and Metropolitan90 again has suggested to remove the tag and reinstate the page.

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The Olelo Telivision Network, with Lisa Williams and the ULC World HQ is now mentioned on their Knowledge page as well as Lisa Williams. Listed are famous people in addition including an ex president, a Hollywood actor and others. Added is a UK TV Network Publication who lists

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NatGertler - It was BlanchardB who initially did the change (revert) of the ULC Page, it was not us. Yes after BlanchardB did it, we attempted to revert such back after some one else undid what BlanchardB did. We put no NO redirect from that page to this page.

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Metropolitan and others have stated the tag should be removed from this page, I agree and my advice is for the Universal of Life Church Modesto for you to concentrate on your page. You are so busy knocking ours, you are only taking away from yours by doing so.

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Perhaps not BlanchardB, however there is a good deal of other items added for evaluation. Simply because tweets does not meet the guidelines, the others do. Again I bring up..... as you have no answer. AN ARTICLE IS NOT SUBJECT TO DELETION IF FAMOUS PEOPLE ARE

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general WIKI public I would undauntedly assert researching the ULC in general will find provided information on both ULC pages, including this one very informative as they research the phenomena of online ordinations and online church ministries. Thank you.

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My contention is that they, as well as you NatGertler have ties to the ULC in Modesto, or specifically to Amy Smith Long. The same IP addresses show up in the data bases on ulc.net, ulcseminary.org, themonastery.org or ulchq.com They match including yours.

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discussed in the other article (at least, if you catch it when the editors of this article aren't trying to overwrite that page with this one), but about a totally separate organization that has a similar name (a common situation in the religious world).

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Your belief that the admin looking at this AfD will be investigating IP addresses is not grounded in standard Knowledge practices. If for some reason an admin were to be looking at the edits of IP users in this discussion, the only ones they'll find are

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I propose Dispute Resolution for both Universal Life Church and Universal Life Church World Headquarters. Because of the competitive nature, multiple edits and reversals by some I do not believe we can reach fair resolution regarding either site without

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appeal. There is no reason why two pages cannot exist for two completely different organizations. If you deem us not worthy of Knowledge, where is it the other ULC is? I am not amused by accusations or name calling by editors who are to remain neutral.

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particularly ones that not only are not derived from but which actually contradict things that I've said. (I've already listed a third dissenter who does not match your claim about "not a one" who was not involved in the ULC page. Want a fourth?

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How does it make the ULCHQ distinctive and unique to sell the same courses on DVD and CD that anyone can purchase from the publisher, whether or not they have ever heard of the ULCHQ? In fact, is there any evidence that Prof. Amy-Jill Levine or

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You further admit this assault of editors requesting delete of this page stem from retaliation, because you feel we redirected your page to ours. This is a war and you are the leader, quite apparent instructing these others to become involved.

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The mentioning of names alludes to a hidden agenda, a lack of neutrality and Church of Scientology of which Knowledge banned a few years ago. Look at those requesting delete, they are all active contributors to the Universal Life Church page.

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of it before this AfD began, whereas I had not heard of the ULCHQ before this AfD began. Regarding Bill Clinton, you are correct to say that a church does not need to have celebrity ordinations to be notable. However, you yourself wrote in

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Protocol note: To make the discussion easier to read, each participant should make only one recommendation (!vote) for how to deal with the article. Since Pastorbodhil previously made the same recommendation, the duplicate was struck.

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Your assumption that an administrator will take a look at the other page is not based in Knowledge procedure (that other page is not currently under AfD, and even if it was, its likely a different admin would be involved in closing

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information that is not in one of the two newspaper articles cited. Now, look at the article. Is it still useful as an encyclopedia article? If the article is deleted, it will be only because there is not enough information in

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NatGertler - I Cannot Answer Definitively Your Question posed regarding who may have been, "Using My Account..." As Far As I Know I Am The Only One With Access To My PastorBodhi1 Account. Regardless - We Move On, Hopefully.....

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as meatpuppets/sockpuppets. That might help simplify this discussion, so that it could be refocused on the question, "Is the Universal Life Church World Headquarters notable enough for Knowledge to need an article about it?"

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delete a page. These calls for DELETE'S only defies Knowledge's objective and they indicate a non neutral stance, competitive in nature and with intent of waging war against the Universal Life Church World Headquarters.

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Where does the Universal Life Church claim 18 million ordained? This is not a deltion page for Universal Life Church or its talk page. This is the page for Universal Life Church World Headquarters, a completely separate

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Headquarters claims to believe in and Support the Christian Doctrine of Faith Stating The Following Beliefs” section. These are all just Christian doctrines nothing new or notable. Nothing that indicates importance.

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Dr Joel has written many articles and has included the ULC World HQ in his articles. While Dr Joel is from Canada, there is no mistaking the professionalism this man brings the table. And I quote Dr Joel's resume;

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rather to bring an administrator in, because surely that administrator will take a much closer look at the other ULC page too. Wherefore it may not just be our page that is removed, it maybe the other as well.

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have posted hereto. You show your lack of neutrality and I believe an independent administer will see through your little games and frankly you are creating a bigger risk for deletion for the other ULC page.

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impression that you are not bothered to actually check up on it or find a proper reason for deleting the article. Tell us why you think the subject is non-notable, and what you understand by "non-notable".

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It is understandable how posts would not be deemed notable, however with that said, the followers of these pages are calculated by third party from clicks by people who choose to follow the organization.

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Also, that an organization is "thriving and growing" is not a criterion for inclusion. Organizations may be dead and still meet our inclusion requirements (otherwise we'd have to ditch our article on the

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to put in a useful encyclopedia article. That won't be any kind of judgement of the organization, but only a reflection of an encyclopedia's need to have verified information from independent sources.

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Another unique factor and this should not be overlooked, but the ULC World HQ has a medical advisory board, that includes a college professor and medical professional on staff of a hospital in Canada.

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their own PR releases. CONFLICT OF INTEREST this is a vanity article for the financial gain of the organization. The age of my account doesn't have anything to do with the validity of my argument.

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ALL OTHER EDITORS by your self admission has ties to the other ULC Page and who have played a major role and has had a keen interest in maintaining that page, which happens to be a competitor.

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go. It is not the correct route to go for biased supporters of the other other ULC page to be Wiki Editors and to come on to this page and trash it, or to call others names or to ridicule.

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to?); (ii) The sbwire references seem to be recycled press releases from UCLWHQ itself; (iii) I contacted Dr Ehrman and he replied immediately denying all knowledge of UCLWHQ – see

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This prohibits you or any of these editors from remaining neutral in evaluating this page, you all have ties to the other ULC. The only two who don't BlanchardB and Metropolitan90

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abstracts, methodologies of practice and consultant reviews on mental health medications and their impact to the patient and their quality and quantity of life. (Publications)

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hit, which is about the ULC, a separate organization). Ghits is a sea of self-generated hits (mainly press releases) and databases - nothing that conveys notability. --

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After they were switched back BlanchardB started the deletion of this article for as he categorized spammy tendencies. You responded and corrected him as follows:

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This maybe a blog, yet the largest retailer in the world has a written agreement with this Church on file. Obviously Walmart would add 3rd party notability.

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2009, Marquis Book of ?Who?s Who in the World? for 2011 and 2012 and the Marquis Book of ?Who?s Who in Science and Engineering? for the 2011-2012 edition."

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The Star Advertiser is a reliable source, but the article just has one parenthetical aside about World Headquarters. That is not significant coverage.

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Furthermore it appears that Walmart and the Universal Life Church World Headquarters has an affiliate agreement providing home shopping for Shutins.

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notability guidelines?" then the answer is a clear "no". Nat Gertler has summarised the relevant points pretty clearly in the post above this one.

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nation including the Aloha Church In Hawaii and holds weekly public television broadcasts from the islands there through "Olelo Television Network.

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Also this Church with Dr Jerry Epperson in Seoul, and as a Chaplain the US Armed Services as indicated on the website offers 3rd party notability.

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I do not know how I can be misinterpreting this incorrectly, wherefore I say this pretty much puts asunder any talk of deletion of this article.

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has taken issue here has past connections to the ULC page. NOT ONE editor without past connections to that page has an issue with this page.

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It does say on the BBB site that the ULCHQ started in 1982, but I don't see where it mentions that it was founded in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. --

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This quote of yours is an admission - you admit that everyone other than Metropolitain90 or BlanchardB HAS ties to the other ULC Page.

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With no disrespect intended, but we need a neutral 3rd party review and also the same review of the other page Check out: WP:CONADMIN

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The DMOZ source is both a user-editable source (and thus not reliable) and merely a listing of links (thus not significant coverage).

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In addition look at their staff page and see redirects from a great many websites, which clearly would be considered 3rd parties.

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was ordained as a minister in this church, because that is not mentioned in this article, nor have I seen it mentioned in any

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This clearly shows just how huge a following they have. On their ULC Radio Network they average 10,000+ listeners a month.

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accounts. It is wrong! This is a retaliation because of what some editors think we did to their precious ULC page.

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are the edits where Pastorbodhi1 attempted the same thing. So your claim that that was "not us" runs into problems.

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Firstly, the wording "An article is not subject to deletion if famous people are listed" do not appear in

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Jordan, I do have an issue with the ULCHQ page, and I deny that I have actively posted frequently on the

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addresses. I will tell you right here and now there are matches I don't need to await an administrator.

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deliverable models, medical metaphysics and impacts of alternative treatments and psychopharmacology.

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and/or Holy Orders as an Independent Catholic Priest with succession and lineage to Jesus Chris”

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Metropolitan90 - Exactly and you've voted to remove the tags and reinstate the page.

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NatGertler - Correct me if I am wrong but RileyRickter's account was just created.

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has made over the past year, and not a one of them was on the ULC page.

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