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continued their coverage for five years. Then why doesn't this topic meet the GNG? You seem to be treating the topic as a criminal act that resulted in 18 months probation. The reliable sources that devote significant coverage to this event over the past five years do not discuss that aspect of the incident. It is the use of the taser in this type of circumstance that the reliable sources discuss, not the plea bargain or the probation. As I pointed out, one book says that this incident, and other less notable incidents, motivated the
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situation into lasting fame of some sort, then it would be notable or we'd at least have a merge target, but that simply isn't the case. 18 months probation, not even a trial, no lasting effects of any note. Thousands more notable crimes than this happen every day all over the world. We could cover them, sure, but that's better left to newspapers.
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American politics and culture. Besides the fact that it spawned the catchphrase "Don't tase me bro."
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