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1031:(which is what the better sources in this article are really about anyway). We'd move content about the business of electronic cigarette sales here. So it would expand in scope to include electronic cigarette manufacturers, wholesalers, marketing and product range as well as the retail outlets. Because of 977:
This is a thing. It is also a term that is called out in legislation within laws. It is used in the news. It is something that people see. It is something that people who use the internet may want to inquire upon. A quick not controversial encyclopedic entry is a benefit, without POV. I see
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Oh my bad, Johnbod, I didn't realize we had a shoe shop, but not a shoe store, article. But, again, my other point remains: how many shoe stores do we have versus vape stores? Thousands and thousands of shoe stores versus a relative handful of vape shops. It's also not specific enough. I wouldn't
571:- I also think the article is overlinked with references, many of which are prima facie self-evident. I assume this was in response to a deletion nom, but when and if the article passes they could be trimmed down. Something like this does not need a litany of news articles to prove it is real. 1039:
would not be a redlink, the existing content would be ported over, and the history would not be deleted, so at a technical level what I'm advocating counts as a "keep" outcome, even though I don't believe that it's a particularly good idea to have an article specifically about vape shops on
553:- definitely passes muster as a genre of store. Knowledge has a long tradition of filling out complete catalogs of things like "furniture", "meals", and "clothing". I see no reason why a valid and obviously true and non-spam non-COI type of retail establishment should be excluded. 587:
Nothing has really been added since OCT 21st. There was a minor ref maintenance Nov 2, by a topic banned editor, but it didnt really add anything. The problem is that thats all this article is, proving a vape shop exists. That isnt notable in itself.
1001:, I see no way there is going to be consensus to delete this page, given the well reasoned KEEPS from 8 editors. If a drawn out process goes on, I don't see the outcome of KEEP is going to change because of the processes and guides. 399:
I said it when it was created, there's no need for an article on a vape shop because it's just a shop that sells vape stuff, so the only unique information is or should be in the e-cig article. Was there a prevuiys AFD for this?
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rightly don't. How about lifting the article(s) out of it's misery by editing it to uncover this assumed notability? Maybe it does exist (somewhere) but not in the presented form (and that's what I go by in this
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but it's a stub. Vape shops are very new, and over the next few years may either be out of business or vapeware may be sold in non-speciality stores. I think it's worth waiting to see.
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Making none, hard to justify the same here. Unless you want to define Electronic Cigarettes as Tobacco and then seek to move the content of Vape Shop under Tobaccoist.
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above that requester is concerned that it has not been updated since Oct 21. Many entries and changes does not determine the value of an Article.
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Changing to keep, some of the articles posed here as well as a few other sources show this likely does meet the criteria for a stub on shop genre.
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Adding, the sources are mostly describing openings of vape shops. Different shops exist all over, open all over, all the time, its run of the mill.
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on the subject itself. The nominator should remember that " nothing that is notable has ever happened at a vape shop" is a
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You are not counting my delete and S Marshall's comment that looks like a delete. 6 to 8 isnt speedy criteria.
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mind seeing an article of vape bars, even though there's even less of those, because it's far more specific.
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so when one vape retailer becomes notable enough for an article it should be covered similarly in that way.
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is both far too scanty and far too general and nonspecific for its own article, the worst of both worlds.
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Not that I could find. You could be remembering one of the other articles like this that QuackGuru made.
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Fails GNG, nothing that is notable has ever happened at a vape shop, and simply existing is not notable
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We don't have articles on "Shoe Stores" even though those exist in much, much greater number than
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That really isnt notability, nothing happened other than the shops opening. The rest is simply
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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I'm not exactly advocating deletion. I'm advocating changing the article title to
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with nothing notable about it. It is the product mainly of a topic banned editor.
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London's first e-cigarette coffee shop opens its doors to capital's 'vapers'
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of store rightly have articles, though usually they are not much good. Eg
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Completely the wrong way round! As pointed out above, we do indeed have
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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We do not generally have articles for types of shops. I checked
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Just because articles on shops exist, doesnt make them notable
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Yes, it really is notability. Here are two more sources:
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One of many types of retail store not notable on it's own.
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With a count of 8 to 4 editors to keep, I would suggest
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Just because they exist, does not make them notable
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