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346:(or merge to Y2K maybe) It's survived three previous nominations, but in response to some of the arguments made in favor of it: (a) if it was a satire on Y2K, it's pretty stale by now (b) if it's something you're worried about, you've still got 7,982 years left, and your descendants will laugh about their superstitious ancestors (c) if there's a computer 7,982 years from now that still uses the "old" four digit technology, what a triumph of engineering that will be (d) if it's here because someone is going to look up "year 10,000 problem", merge this to Y2K (e) if you think this is a problem for computer programs that have to calculate astronomical data 10,000 years in the future, rest assured that even now, in the year "02008" or "002008", someone smarter than you will be able to solve that particular problem. 186:. These problems are every bit as notable as the year 2000 problem, with the exception that they're not happening yet. But since some people are taking the year 10,000 problem seriously and some not, it's already a topic of discussion, just like the year 2000 problem, which of course is notable. Keep that. The others are just amusing things posted on some college site, and are not serious topics of discussion.... yet. Delete those for now, perhaps bringing back the others when the problem's imminent, if Wiki (heck, the world!) is still around. 735:. I'm fairly sure this problem was mentioned, though not by that name, in Donald Knuth's "The Art of Scientific Computing". I listed a few other books that mention it briefly, from a Google Books search, on the article talk page. 2480 Google web hits can't all be wrong. Whether it's something we need to worry about is beside the point: those of us who tend to think like mathematicians talk/write about these things regardless, making them notable. -- 569:
happens in the future too so what counts is references. The RFC 2550 (albeit humorous) plus the g77 compiler explicitly references the "Year 10000" when it says...."Programs making use of this intrinsic might not be Year 10000 (Y10K) compliant." You could argue *that* is humorous too unless you were
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of 1970 was frugal for file timestamps, but the date-related library routines would have been tremendously useful for general purpose date computations (mortgages, birth dates, etc.) had the epoch been set earlier. The Y10K limit is less restrictive than recent problems, but plenty of applications
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is easily distinguished from all the other "Year problem"s in play in that it's a past event, and the article thus has a wealth of material dealing with the run-up, event, and post mortem. 2038 and other future events thus would be a sensible candidate for their own separate article, although it
258:: these are all legitimate computational problems, not just for the future, but for those who have to work with such dates, such as astronomers calculating the dates of events, interest payments on national debt, etc. A suitable article might be titled 92: 87: 82: 77: 509:. From my experience, people only mention this "problem" (if this is still a problem in 8,000 years then I will be shocked at the retarted computer skills of humans) is when joking about Y2K. 403:: thinking like that has caused plenty of trouble to date. Even in 1998, I knew plenty of programmers who were uncertain whether Y2K was something they should anticipate. Choosing the Unix 565:
but delete the rest (year 655535 etc etc) as those have no clear references. The nomination uses a bizarre reason of "happens in the distant future"; that is irrelevant (the
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trying to convince the public that the high-grade radioactive waste you want to dump in a Salt Mine is stable for -32,000 years. Actually that would be funny too.
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Note also that yes, the year Y10K is not for another 8,000 years, but five-digit dates can be and are used today in certain circumstances,
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a try, with the obvious corollary that if any given year problem then appears to deserve it, it can be re-spun into its own article.--
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would need to be edited 30 years+1 month from now to reflect that 2038 is now no longer a future event (that's what
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as it's not for another 8,000 years, nonsense really to even think that the same type of system will be in use. -
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which I created shortly before this AfD. They are all short stubs whilst the Y10k is an established article. --
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Just because you have trouble thinking 8k years ahead doesn't mean the rest of us do. (see also the
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is already more than halfway to Y10K. I'd say that's evidence enough that this is a real issue.
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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stuff. Renominate if you really think it's necessary, for just this page.--
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Y10K = keep, already discussed, no reason to believe a change of consensus.
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Please keep this article. It's more relevant than many other theories.
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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year 170,141,183,460,469,231,731,687,303,715,884,105,727 problem
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Not significant, as these are occurring in the distant future.
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project for other people thinking seriously about this issue)
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need to survive AfD campaigns before the nominations stop?
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as there is relevant content. At most, we could give a
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as the current nomination is cluttered with extraneous
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65536 = delete, no point. Alternatively, redirect to
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Knowledge:Articles for deletion
deletion review
Yamamoto Ichiro
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05:43, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
Year 10,000 problem
Articles for deletion/Year 10,000 problem
Articles for deletion/Year 10,000 problem (2nd nomination)
Articles for deletion/Year 10,000 problem (3rd nomination)
Articles for deletion/Year 10,000 problem (4th nomination)
Articles for deletion/Year 10,000 problem (5th nomination)
Year 10,000 problem
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year 65,536 problem
year 292,277,026,596 problem
year 170,141,183,460,469,231,731,687,303,715,884,105,727 problem
Voortle
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20:13, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
Redbull47
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