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358:- Zimmer has a contract to build a nuclear bomb factory. It's not in passing. Zimmer has the contract. Most people would think that is notable. My incentive to create the article was to show that the Zimmer has already developed several high profile projects in Kansas City including the billion dollar campus of Sprint-Nextel, the new Federal Reserve headquarters and a basketball museum by the Sprint Center, and the complex around the Kansas Speedway. Zimmer will hire the architects, the actual builders, etc. But Zimmer has the contract!!!! On its face when a company develops billion dollar projects, it's notable. 253:
headquarters of the Kansas City Federal Reserve, and has a contract to build a plant to build nuclear bombs should on its face be notable. This article was tagged ONE MINUTE after it was posted at 12:04 AM Eastern with with a speedy delete. Instead of replacing the inhouse references as I intended (and which are easily available in the 24,100 hits), I had to spend the time getting the speedy tag removed. The tag was removed at 12:52 AM Eastern. The nominator then placed it in AFD at 1:32 AM Eastern.
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The developer of an extensively covered project is prima facie notable. Donald Trump is a developer. He puts together the various projects and hires the architect, builder, gets the financing and manages the project and manages the project after it is built. Zimmer is in the same position. If the
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yields mention in 3 local articles, including that it's the "sixth most active commercial real estate firm in Kansas City". I'm not sure whether that's sufficient notability, but it's more concrete than the number of google hits argument. The tone and description of projects in the Knowledge article
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produces more than 24,100 hits so there is clearly reliable third party sources. This debate is not about whether the article sucks but whether the company is notable enough to be included. Any company that develops large projects such as the headquarters campus of Sprint-Nextel, develops the new
461:- Among the three articles you lightly dismissed is one about it developing a $ 673 million project, pay $ 5.2 million a year in taxes and save 2,500 jobs -- all in the service of building nuclear bomb components. The Kansas City Plant is getting much publicity. 517:, strongly. Apart from "BizJournals" hits, Google News Archives yields a bunch of local stories that mention when one of the parties to a commercial real estate transaction are represented by this real estate agency. That isn't 162: 440: 193:
Non-notable company. Has a number of GHits that are mostly listings. GNEWS are brief mentions of involvement in projects. Article lacks references outside of internal website mentions. Appears to fail
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by naming important clients they've represented in Kansas City area real estate deals. That just ends up making the page look more like advertising. -
542:- Odd you would dismiss the bizjournals which detail major projects. Little wonder Knowledge generally sucks when it comes to business articles. 486:– The articles are not written about Zimmer, but only mention them in passing. They do not appear to be "significant coverage" as required by 246:
An organization is generally considered notable if it has been the subject of significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources.
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projects it builds are notable then it itself is notable. Architects achieve notability because of notable buildings they design.
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Just kidding. Doesn't seem notable unless there is something that should be included in the article that isn't.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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by any stretch of the imagination, and BizJournals results can usually be skipped when looking for sources. -
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website is an aggregator of local trade papers, and tends to reprint press releases in bulk. It's not a
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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is not inherited from other organizations nor does "real-world" notability equal Knowledge
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because of what he has done, he is notable because he meets the criteria for
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per nom and lack of available reliable sources that establishes notability.
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it versus just minor mentions of its projects for notable companies.
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
730:- if this company was notable, there would be news articles 613:– I think you are missing the point. Donald Trump is not 279:) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this 107: 103: 99: 169: 629:with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. 39:). No further edits should be made to this page. 775:). No further edits should be made to this page. 736:This search doesn't give any promising results 417:list of Business-related deletion discussions 183: 8: 244:: The very first line of WP:Company states 411: 415:: This debate has been included in the 627:reliable, third-party published sources 693:not substantial independent coverage. 521:coverage. 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