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because wikipedia can edit everybody), that the species really exist and is valid. 2) This robot properly add very complicated taxonomy of gastropods (there is very high danger of error, when starting by non-expert or unexperienced wikipedia editor) and also properly add the authority of species (this also can be a problem for non expert). 3) It works systematically and efficiently. Also note, that gastropods are generally highly underestimated in knowledge not only in wikipedia, but also in scientific world. There are less member projects for larger tasks than any other wikiprojects. We usually have no time even to use images from commons in some cases. There is for example less wikipedia articles for
Conidae than related categories on commons(!). Help by a robot would be very helpful. There were some robots in the past that were considered unhelpful and some that were considered helpful. Are you able to learn from these lessons from past or will you refuse all (as recommended to refuse by The Earwig who starts the same(!) as articles
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504:. We - wikiproject gastropod members - are starting stubs exactly like this manually. - This approval is only formal check, that this task of bot will not be against wikipedia guidelines. This task was already approved by one wikiproject Gastropods already. This bot task is fine and can be approved without protraction. --
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language-independent, so placing it in the
English Knowledge (XXG) (for example) would be inappropriate. Wikispecies also has different software requirements from those of Knowledge (XXG). The project is not intended to reduce the scope of Knowledge (XXG), or take the place of the in-depth biology articles therein.
476:. I could understand finding and adding individual species articles, if there's something to actually write, but... do we really thousands of new stubs here that (apparently) consist of nothing more then some genetic information, when there is a specialized wiki that specifically does want those sorts of articles?
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A couple of quick points: in direct reply to yourself, Ganeshk, The Earwig was making a general comparison in response to the "it's been done before" statement made by Tim1357, above. He did say that he didn't expect this to run into the same issues that Anybot's edits did. The Point though, is that
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Ganeshbot will be approved for other tasks). You can make some solution, that will alert for all bot generated articles, that were not edited by any wikipedian (or project member(?)) for a long time since
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Ganeshbot can do easily in one edit) even if the robot will not broke any of wikipedia policies and guidelines? This start of 650 stubs is really very small part of the work that needs to be done. Maybe there are some fields in wikipedia that really does not need any help
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Just brainstorming here, one possible way forward is for yourself and the rest of the project to manually create about a dozen of these articles. If they all survive for, say, 6 months, then that will go far in showing "hey, no one seems to have an issue with these articles on
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I'm just passing by here, and I want to make it clear that I don't feel strongly about this either way. I'd just like to say that MZMcBride makes a point. I understand the argument that there are two audiences that the wiki's cater too and all, but really, by this point I would question the mass
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As a way forward, Can the BAG let me create the first 50 articles? The Gastro project can check and confirm that they are good. Once they are good, I can get the bot approval to complete the rest. I am hoping that will take care of the concerns here. Please advise. Thanks.
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Knowledge (XXG) in the first place. What's the point of having 500+ articles that are essentially the same?
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Ok Ganesh. A few of us in the BAG were concerned that the bot would finish making all these articles and the Wikiproject would be swamped with these new stubs. We want humans to be at least
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create 100 articles per month. This gives your wikiproject some time to look over the stubs. Hopefully this is acceptable for you, and if not, please leave a message on
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