431:'gallon' is highly suitable for human-overseen-automation (either as Lightbot or Lightmouse). Note that there is also a time dimension: references to 'gallon' in the British Empire/Commonwealth outside North America have declined massively as the metric system has been adopted. It's easy to worry too much about the ambiguity, but in practice the naked gallon can almost always be specified beyond reasonable doubt. This is trivial to demonstrate. As you suggest, I'll certainly avoid making a decision where the time-frame or region makes the ambiguity difficult to resolve.
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convert template will have to come out. But the issues are usually trivial or esoteric for example the addition of 'US' to gallon and/or the use of upper and lower case. From time to time, new variations on these issues do crop up and I've started many discussions myself in the relevant guideline pages following feedback on a conversion.
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Mix of metric and non-metric. The bot isn't designed to resolve mixed units and has no provision for it in the code. Articles often contain primary metric alongside primary non-metric - sometimes it's for a good reason (such as mixing miles and metres on transport, as you suggest. I'm aware of this),
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Knowledge and a single process and a single piece of code. My conservative approach is to do the easy stuff (e.g. unambiguous units,
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Ranges like '0-60 MPH' '0 to 60 MPH', 'between '0 and 60 MPH' are a big challenge. It's not just mph, it's all units. There are so many variations of how ranges are expressed that I spend a lot of effort trying to avoid false positives and changes that look odd. It's a lot more work to make a change
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Regional variation/overlap for gallon: Ironically, this is why work is required to eliminate the ambiguity for readers. The automation is required to simplify the work but it will be the human that makes the decision. It hasn't been my main focus but over the years I've done enough to know that the
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Ambiguous units. In many cases of 'ambiguous units', there is no ambiguity in the context. For example, it's almost always easy to see when the author write 'gallon' but means the US gallon because it's in a US article about a US topic using US sources. Ambiguity will be avoided where the ambiguity
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Reasons for format change. It's not possible to use the convert template *without* adopting a standard format in accordance with guidelines. Non-template and template conversions will be (as far as I know) consistent. If somebody disagrees with the format used by the convert template, then the
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I am in favor of determining the meaning of which gallon is meant. Ambiguity would be real in non-American articles. I'd stay away from (or at least be very, very aware and cautious of) any articles, like
British Empire/Commonwealth related, where the imperial gallon is most likely meant.
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Lightbot or Lightmouse accounts. So the option is useful, but is a low priority for Lightbot.
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Lightbot 5. Note that a successful trial will not necessarily result in however, since I still have some reading to do with the ARBCOM mess, and I'm also wondering if Lightbot 5 should have been approved at all... But let's trial it for now.
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The guideline is stable and has existed in various forms for a long time. Other editors and I have done many edits along these lines over a long period. Examples of such conversions exist in contributions list but it would be easier just to demonstrate with new edits.
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The manual of style was written in part by many people and I know that outside of the United States the abbreviation US is more popular. I remember when we wrote that. People didn't want 'U.K.' and didn't want 'UK' with 'U.S.', therefore US was used (see
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Lightbot 5 is permitted to convert miles, but not miles per hour. It is permitted to convert cubic inches but not fluid ounces. This request seeks to correct that. A relevant guideline is at:
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that looks good. I don't think I can deliver high performance on ranges right now. Could I appeal to you and your colleagues to allow me to tackle ranges later?
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We're in the desirable position of discussing task priorities and permutations within the bot scope. In order to get started, can we move to approval?
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