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The reason why paper encyclopaedias such as EB1911 tended to abbreviate things link dates and page numbers, and wrote very large paragraphs, is because they were trying to save some space (every page saved was profit for the company). This is not a constraint that
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The result of the RfC was overwhelming. It obviously does not apply to items in quotes (or things like book title). The exclusions you have mentioned are intended to cover case such as usage in tables were space is limited; the exclusions are not meant to be used as an excuse from following the
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is how I interpret the RfC, and possibly others will as well. So an argument can be made that the existing categories can be grandfathered in and that having a bot convert these is just pointless work. What I want to see is consensus that a bot should convert these existing categories over.—
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This is what I get for being hasty. The larger problem is outside the scope of any single actionable item, so I am reopening this to take care of PBS's request. I may expand with similar items in future requests but I will limit this one to
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I'm not sure how you can argue for interpretation on that. Also, I find the "should" argument to be tenuous, as there are explicit examples where it is appropriate, and these categories aren't one of them (except for consecutive years on a couple). In addition,
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I believe you are correct. I will need the AWB access though on that account since it's required to use it. I believe the bot tab only opens on accounts with the bot flag, so that can wait until approval.
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Thank you for the clarification. Seeing as this is now withdrawn, it would be pointless to approve for a trial. If you want to go ahead with the trial, just re-open this request.—
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The bot flag is only granted for approved bots. I can grant your bot AWB access, but again, I think bot portions of the AWB interface will only be granted for approved bots.
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I see the MOS states it should be done, but where's the support to convert the existing ones over? I'd like to see some discussion about this.—
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