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filters should work, not return extraneous results. (For example, searching the encyclopedia for a term "page update" (which is hardly a
Knowledge (XXG) specific term) will return CNRs as the first four results, and we should not be requiring readers to sift through non-encyclopedic background noise when they were explicitly searching the encyclopedia.) For the reader who has deliberately unselected the box because they don't want Knowledge (XXG) namespace results, it is unfair to return them anyway. With CNRs, a reader can choose to search Knowledge (XXG) by ticking the box, but they have no option not to do so. Without CNRs, readers wishing to search Knowledge (XXG) namespace can do so, and those who do not want to can also do so. Thus, the existence of CNRs removes choice.
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