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842:- according to the article, many early skyscrapers are/were well below 40 storeys in height - and those still in existence are often still described as such due to their method of construction (especially those belonging to the Chicago school of architecture. However, some tightening of the criteria for this category is probably necessary. 923:
high-rise building is referred to as a skyscraper"), then just calling them "high-rises" covers everything neatly, including buildings that may have been called skyscrapers when they were build but no longer fit the definition. A few subcategories could still be created for true "skyscrapers" where warranted.
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Sure, but all the tall building in Phoenix are in the 20-40 story range and all post 1960 - so none would of these would ever have been true "skyscrapers" using the contemporary definition when they were built. It seems to me that if the definition has changed over time, a category usage should match
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also had some unorthodox ideas concerning health practices: "Ivanov promoted Detka, a health system that included dousing. He based this system on the belief that it was healthy to remove one's clothing while outdoors in cold weather, in order to become closer to nature. Ivanov also advocated
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Then the whole category tree should be renamed to high-rise buildings. WP should not categorize articles incorrectly; if others categories are as incorrect as "Skyscrapers in Phoenix, Arizona", renaming them all would be the best solution. Since "skyscrapers" are also high-rises ("A very tall
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as with many things, there is no specific answer to this just as there is no "official" definition of a skyscraper. But all skyscrapers clearly are also high-rises, so renaming the category tree from skyscraper to high-rise can't possibly mis-characterize anything.
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Perhaps the aim of this category could be made more explicit (and the two articles you mention could be removed from it): it is (or should be) about "cults" in a derogatory sense, or with the meaning of "new religious movement". See
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from this category because it seemed better to apply to the articles themselves and let editors there make the call on whether it was appropriate. That may have been the basis of another editor's distinction.
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If people want to implement the 40-stories rule, then we should work to purge those buildings that are less than that from categories. It does not require a rename or any action here.
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to the category, which is a yearly event using well-organized tent city structured "neighborhoods", and added back the category 'Intentional communities' as self-explanatory.
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since it is not apparent that residents' goal in living there is a "high degree of cohesion" or that they have a "common social, political, religious, or spiritual vision" (
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applies; I suspect a little research would reveal there have been innumerable boycotts of television shows, but admittedly few of them merit a Knowledge article.
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That was exactly my point: yet another type of category with subjective inclusion criteria (high rise buildings) is one too much. Just buildings is good enough.
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swimming in icy water, a belief that has been applied to the practice of ice swimming." The first thing that comes to mind with that kind of advice is
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over time and are better described as such by the time they merit a Knowledge page. Difference in definition is minimal. Note: I removed
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lasted for about two years, and I can only presume that it was largely improvised given its sudden creation and large population.
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It is not as clear whether dousing is a specifically (neo)pagan habit and any further evidence of neopaganism is not given.
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is any settlement of temporary housing structures. These definitions are just too similar to clearly differentiate.
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would probably be slightly inappropriate, since it is not entirely clear whether this concerns neopaganism.
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as part of an existing category tree. Knowledge has no separate hierarchy for high-rise buildings, and
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That said, let's look at the articles in question. From the pictures, it's not apparent to me that
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instead, and the remaining content is too little to keep apart for France so can be upmerged.
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So what is the minimum number of stories of high-rise buildings? According to whom?
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nomination, as the category is based on two different meanings of the word cult.
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why you believe it has no potential for growth. Assertion is not reasoning.) --
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per nom, with the additional point that the less categories we have with the
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a nomination such as this has little chance of success unless you supply a
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Do you have any actual reasoning why this has no way of being expanded?
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In any case, if those two articles are removed they should be added to
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I see a clear divide of these articles into two groups. I propose that
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which was a temporary tent city but not a shanty town. I also added
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Those seem fine. You've put some good thought into this, thanks.
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From the articles for these topics, it looks like a
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Index

Knowledge:Categories for discussion
Log
April 8
April 10
talk page
deletion review
non-admin closure
Marcocapelle
talk
05:37, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
Category:Burial sites by nationality
Category:Burial monuments and structures by country
Burial monuments and structures by country
Rathfelder
talk
22:28, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
Carlossuarez46
talk
22:43, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
Grutness
wha?
02:54, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
Peterkingiron
talk
15:53, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
talk page
deletion review
talk page
deletion review
Wumbolo

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