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2932:– the main content category supported by this WikiProject. In sprite of what the intended function may have been, this category currently does little more than indicate that Peru-related images are non-article pages that fall within the scope of WikiProject Peru – a fact that is self-evident even without this category. If the goal is assessment and tracking, then that should be accomplished through use of 1678:. (note "places", not "populated places" as there may be mountaisn or rivers to be included. I regard that as potentially a valid category, but it needs to be supported by an article. The native American article often lists the origin, meaning that the list provides more than a category can. I think I even saw one place that was allegedly both French and Native American, which surely cannot be right. 3376: 1157:-- All sports (with one or two exceptions, such as certain equestrian sports) are competed for by men and women separately. Their sexuality is irrelevant to their sport. I therefore regard this as a trivial intersection. I would not object to them being upmerged to Fooian sportspeople (but preferably sorted by gender) and Fooian LGBT people. 3085:. Any internal pages belonging to a task force of a WikiProject are, by definition, non-article pages within the scope of that WikiProject, and so nothing is gained by this dual categorization. If the goal is assessment rather than organization, then that should be (and is, in fact) performed on the two pages' talk pages. -- 3245:
books by Ursula K. Le Guin (e.g. Novels by... was a subcategory of this). A random sampling of "Books by author" categories shows that there exist other categories using that definition, as well as others using the unintuitive "books means non-fiction" definition. Is there an actual formal definition
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look at the cat and saw some entries that looked like possible titles of magazines (but didn't look too closely nor looked at any of the articles). I guess I'm just not very military minded, it never occurred to me that "magazine" could mean anything else then a publication... Sorry about the hassle.
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allows for this particular division. While some of the sportspeople from Foo may not play for a Foo team or league, probably most of them do, so division by nationality is a pretty fair way of dividing this group. i would draw the line here, and disallow "lgbt sportspeople by subnational region" as
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I just realized what i did was not kosher (reading a discussion above). The combination of bold editing, THEN bringing to discussion, is not right. my apologies. i do like the nonfiction division idea, per occculi, thats why i mentioned it above. actually, maybe "books by leguin" should be between
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I'm worried about the effect on the discussion, not about whether it will be too much work if the categories are kept - if you look in these categories and see that they're empty or have very few members it's easy to say "we don't need nationality subcategories to diffuse a large category," but if
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again, sorry for the incorrect procedure. i wont do that again. My understanding is that her collections often combine both, and she tends to straddle sf and fantasy in many of her works, instead of, say, producing hard sf vs. high fantasy (larry niven is 90% pure hard sf, with a small number of
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which should rightly force a revision of the project's traditional approach, or whether this is just a case of overeager categorizing for the sake of categorizing. And given the fact that most of the categories were prematurely evacuated I can't properly determine whether the number of relevant
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ago, with no objections being raised until now. More recently, several other occupations (journalists, radio personalities, television personalities, comedians, etc.) were similarly subdivided after being duly requested at the category creation project, and weren't objected to then either — and
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This category unnecessarily violates the separation that normally is maintained between content pages and WikiProject pages. Its existence does not make the two subcategories or their contents more accessible to the WikiProject's members since both subcategories already appear in
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shows why: with 421 American LGBT musicians alone, the category could easily get swamped without subcategorization. So I'm validating the approach here, which leaves the problem that several of the subcategories were emptied in advance, and now have to be reconstituted. I will ask
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per the thoughtful reasons above. If the admin wants to they can listify but that should not be required. The other option would be the leave the information in the creators space so that his research does not have to be done if he wants to create the list.
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This is a split discussion, and it is the kind of triple intersection that CfD normally doesn't approve of. But here, the keep side is strongly supported by the similar subcategorization of quite a few other LGBT categories by occupation and nationality.
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The LGBT wikiproject has traditionally encouraged LGBT-occupation-by-country crosscategorization for occupations where that intersection is an encyclopedically relevant contextual grouping in its own right (e.g. politicians, writers), and has tried to
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as any internal page of a WikiProject is, by definition, a "non-article" page. This category's contents can and should (and, in fact, do) appear directly in the WikiProject's main category and there's no need for this supplemental categorization. --
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I was in the process of moving people to the separate categories "Gay sportspeople" (etc) and "LGBT people from nationality" (etc), but had an objection, so brought it here. The largest category has not been depopulated at all - 69 entries in
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her collections cannot be delineated into "short story collections" and "science fiction short story collections". i recategorized all that were here into the broader cat, and placed that cat in "sf stories by author" as its true enough.
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This should be the name, as thats whats its known as in the SF world. Ekumen is a federation in one phase of the works. sub categories should also be renamed: Ekumen books to Hainish Cycle books, Ekumen planets to Hainish Cycle planets.
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the first time I've seen SatyrTN arbitrarily emptying LGBT-occupation-by-country crosscats that didn't meet his sense of which ones should and shouldn't exist, without seeking an actual consensus for their deletion first (though it
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and these categories - it was not my intent to depopulate simply to nominate them for deletion. Furthermore, I'm not arguing that they need to be deleted because they are empty - see my reasons above. Sorry for the confusion.
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For what it's worth, I'm of two minds about these — but wanted to offer some food for thought nonetheless (particularly since I'm the person who raised the initial objection to SatyrTN preemptively decatting the affected
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does the suggested separation fail for Ursula K. Le Guin? (Again, the correct process is to leave the category populated and submit it to cfd. Viewing an empty category is not illuminating. A non-empty example is
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clearly fantasy works, no middle ground). if someone can reliably categorize her short stories into sf and fantasy collections (i cant, and i dont think its possible, but i could be wrong), then we can have both.
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unnecessary subcategory, and the title is misleading. this would be considered "nonfiction books by ursula leguin" but we dont seem to have such a format for dividing works by author into fiction and nonfiction
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on the basis of a characteristic "of the name rather than the subject itself" and, therefore, non-defining. This seems to be something that would be better suited to lists rather than categories. --
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the first time he's responded to my consequent objections by actually taking the category to CFD, instead of by just calling me a prissy bitchface and ignoring the actual process issue at stake.)
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Do you think you could restore the articles to the categories pending discussion? It's rather improper to empty categories before arguing to delete them on the grounds that they are redundant. –
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definitely being an overcategorization not relevant to the nature of the subject. I do, however, acknowledge that this is not a completely cut and dried decision, as i have indicated.
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it in cases where it just constitutes "people who happen to be both X and Y" (e.g. actors). However, at least some of these sportspeople intersections were created almost three
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articles warrants invoking the "location may be used as a way to split a large category into subcategories" clause or not. And finally, it probably warrants mention that this
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Oh, I know. I'm just trying to make sure that people joining the discussion have all necessary information, such as how many articles are in the categories in question. –
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If the creator wants to write articles on the toponyms of Nebraska, that is what should be done. There is no reason for Nebraska place names to be grouped in any way.
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I think you're putting the cart before the horse, then. I have no problem with the category being recreated when the articles exist, providing the name is changed to
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Thank you for that link. I don't envy you having to close that discussion, by the way... In light of that discussion, then, I agree that this category should be
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There is no advantage to separating these nine non-article WikiProject Scientology pages from the eight non-article WikiProject Scientology pages that are in
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is "the name for an item or place within which ammunition is stored." To rename as nominated to "bring this category name in line with the others used at
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and all related subcats should be nommed for deletion per comments above, and past discussions on intersection by occupation. but until such time as that,
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of whether the intersection of location and occupation is relevant classification scheme in its own right or just as a size management sort of thing.
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As the person who created the category, I've been invited to comment. What I would like to point out is that when I created it, it included
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the categories have been depopulated beforehand you're not getting an accurate view of the situation upon which to base your comment. –
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shouldn't, because their cases for "encyclopedically relevant contextual grouping" aren't any stronger, and may even be significantly
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Is that really necessary? If there is no consensus to delete the categories, then it should be easy enough to generate a list using
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is not. We categorize by subject not by name; which reminds me to finally get around to nominating a few cats that are otherwise.
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per nom's secondary recommendation. Useful category to determine persons with an association to direct selling & MLM.
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This container category is simply an extra layer that duplicates part of a function that is already performed by
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of what "Books by author" means somewhere, or have people just been making it up as they go along? —
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MLM is a subset of direct selling - thus a category on direct selling includes MLM by definition.
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as a defining characteristic that is appropriate to be broken down in this manner by nation.
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another multi-way categorization scheme that is unnecessary and adds to cat clutter.
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Index

Knowledge:Categories for discussion
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January 12
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Category:United States Marine Corps history
Category:History of the United States Marine Corps
Alan Liefting
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John Pack Lambert
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09:20, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
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deletion review
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Timrollpickering
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00:34, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
Category:2012 Summer Olympics sports templates
Category:2012 Summer Olympics event navigational boxes
Category:2010 Winter Olympics sports templates
Category:2010 Winter Olympics event navigational boxes
Category:2008 Summer Olympics sports templates
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