1447:- The mass deletion here is a bit too much for me to wrap my head around. The general concept of tourist trails is obviously not a good fit for categorizing things, mostly because the tourist trails themselves may be somewhat flexible or arbitrary in their criteria, and may change over time. The association with the "trail" might even be a trivial, non-defining aspect of the item. BUT I can imagine a trail (likely an actual trail, not simply a tourist designation) in which the places on the trail are defined by their association with the trail. So I'm not comfortable with a categorical deletion of all "trails" categories and "place by trail" categorization. --
1222:- remove articles about places/buildings on/near the trails (and any articles with even less connection with the trail) from these categories and delete any categories that only contain such articles. This is not a good way to categorize places; we don't (AFAIK) have categories "counties that <motorway: -->
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That's a different read. If most of these would be deleted as the result of a cleanup, then just say delete them, it is easier to gain consensus that way. As with any large nomination, when there are exceptions, the end result is frequently for no consensus. If this happens here, the close should
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I realize that this touches on issue of sexual politics but I guess I don't understand why categories specifically for LGBT don't also implicitly include Q. If this is the case, should there be no umbrella LGBT categories and only separate L, G, B and T categories for every occupation, nationality,
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Freedom trail category though, and others that are not histical routes. Oregon and Mormon keep, Freedom go,
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Yes, that was my mistake. I should have come here first but it was only after I recategorized the individuals that I realized that I needed to come here. I usually confine my editing to typos, restructuring articles and straightening out grammatical mistakes, not creating or deleting pages or
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We shouldn't throw out the baby because we don't like the bath water. Users do seem to have put pages into some of these categories that arguably aren't appropriate to include, but the need to establish better inclusion criteria does not justify wholesale deletion of the categories.
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the lot. This is a diverse collection of trails and categories that cannot be treated as if they are all alike; if there are concerns about the inappropriateness of individual trail categories, nominate them individually. For now, I'll speak to the reasons for keeping
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no consensus to delete. Given the different nature of some of the trails, it may be helpful to have individual nominations for these. There may well be a consensus to delete some or to seriously purge them out, but that's hard to discuss or discern in this broad
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This is removing the ambiguous term "modern" (sometimes 1990+, sometimes much earlier) from category names. I think all the articles in this category are about weapons introduced since 1990, although there are a few poor-quality articles (e.g.
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It is difficult to tell because you purged the category and we cannot see what was in it. Please consider restoring the articles while we discuss. At the moment, with no information other than the category names, I'm
1613:-- This is a misuse of category space. The categories should be called "Places on the Oregon Trail" etc. However this is in the nature of a performance (place) by performer (trail) category, which we do not allow.
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or individual renomination if the contents are minimal. Which categories do you believe would be retained after cleanup? Or are you just saying that the purging would identify the ones can can be deleted?
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Please note that the nomination misrepresents some (if not all) of these categories. These are not all historic heritage trails and their contents are by no means limited to "places on the trail." --
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makes sense with a clarification of the scope which I just did. I would request that this one be removed from the nomination based on the inclusion criteria now in place.
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the current problem. While clarifying inclusion criteria helps, it can still be subjective. Your proposal leaves the encyclopedia with a long term maintenance issue.
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