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If I understand this correctly, an article that was previously speedy deleted is reposted in its entirety, and instead of being speedy deleted a second time, it goes on to VfD because of the provision in the repost speedy delete criterion. Aren't we trying to reduce load on VfD some? Or am I mistaken
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If an article can be speedied by any criterion, then any direct copy of it can be speedied by that very same criterion (just not by this one). That clause serves as a firm reminder that if an invalid article was speedied, then a later created valid article with the same title should not automatically
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just because they get entirely new articles about the same vfd'd-for-notability subject. If this passes, then we won't ever be able to get rid of persistent vanity articles while even pretending to follow policy as written. I should hope legitimate articles previously deleted via vfd for poor
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it will likely fall under another speedy criterion (e.g. 'patent nonsense') and can be redeleted for still being patent nonsense. This proposal does not forbid redeletion of something that was previously speedied, it only requires that you find another criterion than this one for speedying it.
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47:"A substantially identical copy, by any title, of an article that was deleted according to the deletion policy. This does not apply to content in userspace, content that was speedily deleted, or to content undeleted according to undeletion policy."
1535:. Current wording is better. Also, some redundancy IMO. Also unhappy with "substantially identical", could well introduce new backdoor for article author(s)/resurrector(s) to draw out arguments; where there's little valid case for non-deletion - '
1407:. Usually, such articles get speedily restored. It is, after all, common sense not to automatically delete a different article on the same subject - but some people are afraid that it would happen, hence the suggestion of codifying it.
403:. In practice the only difference between the current and proposed wording is that the proposed system would allow a slightly different repost to be deleted, but that does tend to happen already. Seems like a trivial change to me.
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I'm going to remain in opposition. The proposition is substantially weaker than the current wording; current practice is already to speedy restore mistakes, as you say, and codifying that isn't worth having to go through
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for the inevitable errors that will creep in. We need something to increase the throughput of VfD; better to fix a few errors in a quick system than use a slow, expensive (in time/energy) system. Copyvios too.
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We already do this. Don't need a rule to tell us we can. See also
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