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You are right, I should have discussed this. Therefor I apologise. I do feel the undeletion was just as much out of process as the deletion, hence why we are here now. And I do take issue with Magog not feeling the need to support his action with an explanation, in this case, pointing to a discussion
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local copy. A request to keep a local copy should ordinarily defeat a deletion under F8 which is for clear and uncontroversial cases. Now that a requests has been clearly made, and a passable reason given it should be retained. The discussion on Commons clearly implicates this file, whether it is
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You will find that there are very few circumstances in which DRV will endorse wheel warring, and this is not one of them. You would need a very urgent and pressing reason for doing it. Our main job here at DRV is to see that the deletion process is correctly followed, and wheel warring is very far
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on Commons would have been appropriate. How am I supposed to be aware of discussion on other projects if there is no explanation? I will not be closing this DRV because I am involved now, so I will let another admin use his/her discretion. If that results in a keep, I will happily file an FFD.
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listed in the Commons discussion either). I just saw a file with a CSD-F8 tag, reviewed it (twice now) and found no reason not to delete it. So don't be suprised if other admins revert your changes because you fail to point to any relevant discussion elsewhere. Since the file is not even under
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Edokter, you have wheel-warred and you do need to take that seriously. Technically, the evidence in the history of that file would be sufficient grounds to refer you to ArbCom for a summary desysopping. I think that would be much too extreme in this case, but you are
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Not quite true; the UK may hold a lower threshold of originality, not a "no" threshold of originality. While that concept is under discussion on Commons, I still feel there is no point in maintaining a duplicate here while the file on Commons is still not tagged.
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Right, let's delete it here so that it will be forgotten here and disappear altogether from English Knowledge when people forget to reundelete it here after the Commons deletion. All for the sake of creating extra work for the admins.
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The UK threshold of originality is practically so low to allow any text logo to be copyrightable - I can't think of any recent examples where a logo was judged too simple to be copyrightable in the UK.
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Just to be clear on two points you've brought up: 1) Yes, I undeleted after your redeletion, but I'd thought you'd made some sort of mistake. 2) the PD-ineligible-USonly tag has a link to
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tagged or not and there is no reason to weight for Commons to decide what they are doing there before we take action here. It doesn't save space to delete the local copy, after all.
522:. I suggest that no one deletes any British logos from here for F8 reasons until this has been sorted out on Commons since it is likely going to cause lots of deletions over there. -- 424:
Because it's not a done deal that someone will remember to undelete it locally; people forget. I've seen it happen even after I place a strongly worded note on the talk page stating
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Once, after I reverted myself. And since the Commons copy was not marked PD-USonly, nor subject to any linked discussion there, the PD-USonly is null and void here.
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First time I missed the fact that it was even undeleted. I only looked at the Commons version, and saw no discussion linking to it in any way, shape or form. Plus,
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have provided the reasoning you just gave; I spent a good hour searching for any discussion on Commons relating to the BBC logo, and I couldn't find any (and it is
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to engage in collegial discussion with your fellow administrator rather than trying to steamroller him. The appropriate course of action for you now is:-
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is clearly willing to wheel-war over the issue, and I don't want to lose my adminship status. The reason I want it to be kept local is this:
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This condition is clearly not met. I would normally just undelete it, but I already did that twice, thinking there was a mistake. However,
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delete the image on January 10 2012 and slap a do-not-move template on it. That's circular reasoning. And yes, you definitely
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3) If you still wish to delete the file, open a FFD and seek a good faith consensus to support your view.
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This file is ineligible for speedy deletion, because I tagged it as do not move to Commons. From
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That line of argument, worthwhile though it sounds, probably belongs at FFD.—
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I'm sure you guys get a kick out of communicating in wikispeak. Just sayin'.
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And yet, the file on Commons is still not tagged as being under discussion.
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Deletion discussions are currently being held for a lot of other logos at
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I didn't notice this discussion until today. For a discussion, see
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PLEASE UNDELETE AT ENGLISH WIKIPEDIA IF THIS IS DELETED ON COMMONS
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Knowledge:Deletion review
Log
2012 January 29
Deletion review archives
2012 January
2012 January 31
30 January 2012
File:BBC.svg
T. Canens
talk
18:47, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
deletion review
File:BBC.svg
talk
edit
history
logs
links
watch
restore
WP:CSD#F8
do not move to Commons
User:Edokter
commons:Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:Logos of companies of the United Kingdom
Magog the Ogre
talk
04:06, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
Edokter
talk
10:54, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

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