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our design of the topic box. It would be very nice to have all of the RN battlecruisers in a single column with the layout of the others placed so that they did not run over into another column. Doing so, however, would probably be lopsided one way or another, which is heavily frowned upon. Even your version has the subtopics out of alphabetical order and why should Russia be the only nation not to have its own subtopic? You could redo yours with only three entries per column and have it work nicely. So what if there are only three individual entries in the subtopic?
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that the intent to promote be announced before the end of the month as I believe that the Cup judges can accept the decision even if the hard work of updating each article's talk page is postponed until convenient. If need be, I can help update the article histories as I've done it before. Bowing to public pressure, there's no need to absorb the existing national battlecruiser topics, but the existing
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I can see Parsec's point about including them in overarching topics covering the national navy, although, honestly this is really only going to be possible for the
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Well, it might be better to leave them independent, since the national topics can be included in other combinations. For instance, I'm planning on doing a capital ship topic for
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Well in that case we should definitely pick #3, since It does the most to advertise that perspective. Numbers 3 and 1 are the best options, and I think 3 to be my favorite, but I put in for 2 so as to avoid confusing people with long lists. That said, lets live a little :)
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not specify which one they prefer. It would be helpful if we could get those who have already !voted to cast their !votes for a specific !ver...er...version. I can post some requests for clarification on their talk pages if you'd like.
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2115:
2090:
2089:
2088:
2076:
2064:
2052:
2017:
2006:
2004:
2003:
2002:
2001:
1991:
1990:
1989:
1966:
1965:
1964:
1951:
1938:
1912:
1911:
1910:
1897:
1871:
1858:
1845:
1844:
1843:
1840:Princess Royal
1830:
1804:
1803:
1802:
1789:
1776:
1750:
1749:
1748:
1735:
1722:
1685:
1683:
1682:
1681:
1680:
1667:
1654:
1631:
1630:
1629:
1619:
1606:
1593:
1592:
1591:
1578:
1565:
1539:
1526:
1525:
1524:
1511:
1485:
1462:
1452:
1441:
1434:
1433:
1429:
1419:
1410:
1409:
1408:
1407:
1406:
1402:
1401:
1379:
1378:
1377:
1376:
1363:
1350:
1326:
1324:
1323:
1313:
1303:
1293:
1282:
1280:
1279:
1269:
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1249:
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1231:
1230:
1226:
1216:
1207:
1206:
1205:
1204:
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1202:
1201:
1200:
1199:
1198:
1197:
1196:
1195:
1122:
1102:
1101:
1100:
1099:
1098:
1097:
1096:
1095:
1083:
1082:
1081:
1080:
1079:
1069:
1067:The Bushranger
1017:
1015:The Bushranger
999:
943:
933:
931:The Bushranger
923:
922:
886:
885:
884:
883:
882:
881:
868:
855:
829:
828:
827:
814:
778:
777:
776:
763:
750:
727:
717:
716:
715:
705:
704:
703:
678:
677:
676:
664:
652:
640:
623:
621:
620:
619:
618:
595:
594:
593:
583:
582:
581:
558:
557:
556:
543:
530:
504:
503:
502:
489:
463:
450:
437:
436:
435:
432:Princess Royal
422:
396:
395:
394:
381:
368:
339:
337:
336:
335:
334:
333:
332:
319:
306:
270:
269:
268:
258:
245:
232:
231:
230:
217:
204:
178:
165:
164:
163:
150:
124:
101:
91:
81:
70:
63:
62:
58:
48:
39:
38:
37:
35:
32:
30:
15:
14:
13:
10:
9:
6:
4:
3:
2:
2667:
2656:
2653:
2647:
2643:
2642:
2639:
2635:
2631:
2630:Sturmvogel 66
2626:
2625:
2624:
2619:
2616:
2613:
2607:
2605:
2592:
2588:
2587:
2584:
2580:
2576:
2573:
2570:
2569:
2562:
2558:
2554:
2549:
2548:
2547:
2543:
2539:
2538:Sturmvogel 66
2535:
2534:
2533:
2529:
2525:
2521:
2520:
2519:
2518:
2515:
2512:
2510:
2504:
2493:
2489:
2485:
2481:
2480:
2479:
2476:
2470:
2468:
2464:
2460:
2455:
2454:
2453:
2450:
2444:
2441:
2435:
2431:
2427:
2423:
2422:
2421:
2417:
2413:
2409:
2408:
2407:
2403:
2399:
2395:
2392:
2388:
2385:
2382:
2378:
2377:
2376:
2373:
2370:
2366:
2363:
2355:
2351:
2347:
2343:
2339:
2335:
2334:
2333:
2329:
2325:
2324:Sturmvogel 66
2320:
2319:
2318:
2314:
2312:One ping only
2308:
2304:
2303:
2302:
2298:
2294:
2290:
2287:
2285:
2281:
2277:
2273:
2269:
2266:
2265:
2264:
2263:
2259:
2255:
2254:Sturmvogel 66
2241:
2240:
2230:
2228:
2227:
2217:
2215:
2214:
2204:
2203:
2202:
2200:
2195:
2191:
2187:
2186:
2180:
2176:
2174:
2173:
2167:
2163:
2162:
2161:
2159:
2150:
2149:
2148:
2144:
2140:
2138:
2134:
2130:
2126:
2118:
2114:
2113:
2108:
2104:
2103:
2102:
2100:
2095:
2091:
2087:
2086:
2077:
2075:
2074:
2069:
2065:
2063:
2062:
2053:
2051:
2050:
2041:
2040:
2039:
2037:
2028:
2027:
2026:
2022:
2018:
2016:
2008:
2007:
2000:
1992:
1988:
1987:
1981:
1977:
1976:
1975:
1974:Admiral class
1967:
1963:
1962:
1956:
1952:
1950:
1949:
1939:
1937:
1936:
1930:
1926:
1925:
1924:
1922:
1917:
1913:
1909:
1908:
1898:
1896:
1895:
1885:
1884:
1883:
1881:
1872:
1870:
1869:
1863:
1859:
1857:
1856:
1850:
1846:
1842:
1841:
1835:
1831:
1829:
1828:
1822:
1818:
1817:
1816:
1814:
1805:
1801:
1800:
1794:
1790:
1788:
1787:
1781:
1777:
1775:
1774:
1773:Indefatigable
1768:
1764:
1763:
1762:
1760:
1759:Indefatigable
1751:
1747:
1746:
1736:
1734:
1733:
1723:
1721:
1720:
1710:
1709:
1708:
1706:
1697:
1696:
1695:
1691:
1687:
1686:
1679:
1677:
1668:
1666:
1664:
1655:
1653:
1651:
1642:
1641:
1640:
1636:
1632:
1628:
1620:
1618:
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1607:
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1603:
1594:
1590:
1589:
1583:
1579:
1577:
1576:
1570:
1566:
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1563:
1557:
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1551:
1549:
1544:
1540:
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1473:
1472:
1471:
1467:
1463:
1461:
1457:
1453:
1451:
1447:
1443:
1442:
1438:
1427:
1426:Battlecruiser
1417:
1413:
1404:
1403:
1398:
1397:
1396:
1395:
1391:
1387:
1375:
1373:
1364:
1362:
1360:
1351:
1349:
1347:
1338:
1337:
1336:
1332:
1328:
1327:
1322:
1318:
1314:
1312:
1308:
1304:
1302:
1298:
1294:
1292:
1288:
1284:
1283:
1278:
1274:
1270:
1268:
1260:
1258:
1254:
1250:
1248:
1244:
1240:
1239:
1235:
1224:
1223:Battlecruiser
1214:
1210:
1194:
1190:
1186:
1185:Sturmvogel 66
1181:
1180:
1179:
1175:
1171:
1166:
1165:
1164:
1160:
1156:
1151:
1150:
1149:
1145:
1141:
1140:Sturmvogel 66
1137:
1136:
1135:
1131:
1127:
1123:
1121:
1118:
1115:
1113:
1107:
1104:
1103:
1094:
1091:
1084:
1078:
1074:
1072:One ping only
1068:
1056:
1055:
1054:
1050:
1049:
1043:
1042:
1034:
1030:
1029:
1028:
1027:
1026:
1022:
1020:One ping only
1016:
1012:
1008:
1004:
1000:
998:
994:
990:
989:Sturmvogel 66
986:
985:
984:
980:
979:
973:
972:
964:
960:
957:
956:
955:
952:
948:
944:
942:
938:
936:One ping only
932:
928:
925:
924:
921:
917:
913:
912:Sturmvogel 66
909:
908:
907:
906:
902:
898:
897:Sturmvogel 66
894:
880:
879:
869:
867:
866:
856:
854:
853:
843:
842:
841:
839:
834:
830:
826:
825:
819:
815:
813:
812:
806:
802:
801:
800:
798:
789:
788:
787:
783:
779:
775:
773:
764:
762:
760:
751:
749:
747:
738:
737:
736:
732:
728:
726:
722:
718:
714:
706:
702:
701:
696:
692:
691:
690:
688:
683:
679:
675:
674:
665:
663:
662:
657:
653:
651:
650:
641:
639:
638:
629:
628:
627:
626:
625:
624:
617:
615:
606:
605:
604:
600:
596:
592:
584:
580:
579:
573:
569:
568:
567:
566:Admiral class
559:
555:
554:
548:
544:
542:
541:
531:
529:
528:
522:
518:
517:
516:
514:
509:
505:
501:
500:
490:
488:
487:
477:
476:
475:
473:
464:
462:
461:
455:
451:
449:
448:
442:
438:
434:
433:
427:
423:
421:
420:
414:
410:
409:
408:
406:
397:
393:
392:
386:
382:
380:
379:
373:
369:
367:
366:
365:Indefatigable
360:
356:
355:
354:
352:
351:Indefatigable
343:
342:
341:
340:
331:
330:
320:
318:
317:
307:
305:
304:
294:
293:
292:
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259:
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246:
244:
242:
233:
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218:
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209:
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202:
196:
192:
191:
190:
188:
183:
179:
177:
176:
170:
166:
162:
161:
155:
151:
149:
148:
142:
138:
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134:
129:
125:
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122:
116:
112:
111:
110:
106:
102:
100:
92:
90:
86:
82:
80:
76:
72:
71:
67:
56:
55:Battlecruiser
46:
42:
33:
25:
19:
2645:
2622:
2611:
2596:
2590:
2571:
2508:
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2500:
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2337:
2288:
2267:
2251:
2238:
2225:
2212:
2198:
2184:
2171:
2157:
2111:
2098:
2084:
2072:
2060:
2048:
2035:
1985:
1960:
1947:
1934:
1920:
1906:
1893:
1879:
1867:
1854:
1839:
1826:
1812:
1798:
1785:
1772:
1758:
1744:
1731:
1718:
1704:
1675:
1662:
1649:
1615:Ersatz Yorck
1614:
1601:
1587:
1574:
1561:
1547:
1535:
1520:
1507:
1493:
1482:Von der Tann
1481:
1383:
1371:
1358:
1345:
1111:
1105:
1057:No worries.
1045:
1038:
1010:
975:
968:
958:
946:
926:
890:
877:
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851:
837:
823:
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648:
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613:
577:
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539:
526:
512:
498:
485:
471:
459:
446:
431:
418:
404:
390:
377:
364:
350:
328:
315:
302:
288:
254:Ersatz Yorck
253:
240:
226:
213:
200:
186:
174:
159:
146:
132:
121:Von der Tann
120:
2381:igordebraga
2369:igordebraga
1799:New Zealand
1745:Indomitable
1562:Derfflinger
1548:Derfflinger
1430:63 articles
1227:63 articles
929:. Bravo! -
391:New Zealand
329:Indomitable
201:Derfflinger
187:Derfflinger
59:63 articles
2651:GamerPro64
2572:Support #3
2509:MarshalN20
2474:GamerPro64
2448:GamerPro64
2344:and all).
1935:Courageous
1921:Courageous
1855:Queen Mary
1732:Inflexible
1719:Invincible
1705:Invincible
1676:Stalingrad
1663:Kronshtadt
1588:Hindenburg
1372:Stalingrad
1359:Kronshtadt
1112:MarshalN20
1089:GamerPro64
1011:accusatory
772:Stalingrad
759:Kronshtadt
527:Courageous
513:Courageous
447:Queen Mary
316:Inflexible
303:Invincible
289:Invincible
227:Hindenburg
2575:TomStar81
2553:TomStar81
2524:TomStar81
2484:Parsecboy
2459:Parsecboy
2426:Parsecboy
2412:Buggie111
2398:Buggie111
2346:Parsecboy
2276:TomStar81
2172:Lexington
2158:Lexington
2085:Kirishima
1786:Australia
1602:Mackensen
1155:Parsecboy
811:Lexington
797:Lexington
673:Kirishima
378:Australia
241:Mackensen
2591:option 3
2443:Question
2293:Miyagawa
2185:Saratoga
1948:Glorious
1650:Borodino
1536:Seydlitz
1346:Borodino
1153:topic).
1003:kibitzer
824:Saratoga
746:Borodino
540:Glorious
175:Seydlitz
2604:anguard
2503:support
2394:Support
2365:Support
2289:Support
2268:Support
1961:Furious
1907:Repulse
1416:discuss
1386:Nergaal
1213:discuss
1170:Nergaal
1126:Nergaal
1106:Support
1007:frankly
947:support
927:Support
553:Furious
499:Repulse
45:discuss
2322:big.--
2239:Hawaii
2213:Alaska
2199:Alaska
2073:Haruna
1894:Renown
1880:Renown
1575:LĂŒtzow
1521:Goeben
1508:Moltke
1494:Moltke
963:WP:OMT
893:WP:OMT
878:Hawaii
852:Alaska
838:Alaska
661:Haruna
486:Renown
472:Renown
214:LĂŒtzow
160:Goeben
147:Moltke
133:Moltke
2274:! :)
2201:class
2160:class
2112:Akagi
2101:class
2099:Amagi
2049:KongĆ
2038:class
2036:KongĆ
1923:class
1882:class
1868:Tiger
1815:class
1784:HMAS
1761:class
1707:class
1678:class
1665:class
1652:class
1617:class
1604:class
1550:class
1496:class
1374:class
1361:class
1348:class
840:class
799:class
774:class
761:class
748:class
700:Akagi
689:class
687:Amagi
637:KongĆ
616:class
614:KongĆ
515:class
474:class
460:Tiger
407:class
376:HMAS
353:class
291:class
256:class
243:class
189:class
135:class
16:<
2634:talk
2612:Wha?
2600:ven
2579:Talk
2557:Talk
2542:talk
2528:Talk
2488:talk
2463:talk
2430:talk
2416:talk
2402:talk
2350:talk
2328:talk
2297:talk
2280:Talk
2258:talk
2237:USS
2226:Guam
2224:USS
2211:USS
2183:USS
2170:USS
2061:Hiei
1986:Hood
1984:HMS
1959:HMS
1946:HMS
1933:HMS
1905:HMS
1892:HMS
1866:HMS
1853:HMS
1838:HMS
1827:Lion
1825:HMS
1813:Lion
1797:HMS
1771:HMS
1743:HMS
1730:HMS
1717:HMS
1586:SMS
1573:SMS
1560:SMS
1534:SMS
1519:SMS
1506:SMS
1480:SMS
1412:edit
1390:talk
1209:edit
1189:talk
1174:talk
1159:talk
1144:talk
1130:talk
993:talk
916:talk
901:talk
876:USS
865:Guam
863:USS
850:USS
822:USS
809:USS
649:Hiei
578:Hood
576:HMS
551:HMS
538:HMS
525:HMS
497:HMS
484:HMS
458:HMS
445:HMS
430:HMS
419:Lion
417:HMS
405:Lion
389:HMS
363:HMS
327:HMS
314:HMS
301:HMS
225:SMS
212:SMS
199:SMS
173:SMS
158:SMS
145:SMS
119:SMS
41:edit
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