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I am nominating this for featured article because I've worked on this article for the better part of the last year and feel it meets the criteria. It's one of the most important roads in the state of Iowa, probably the most historic road, and I feel I've done the road justice. It's my first time to
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I'm not questioning the use of maps as sources per se. As with books, online or offline is not an issue. I am suggesting that when maps are used to support statements, indications be given e.g. by grid references, to enable verification in much the same way that page numbers are given in books. I am
816:"While not ideal for transcontinental travel, Iowa's dirt roads were very good roads; that is, when they were dry. Some people even compared them to the best roads in France. The same could not be said, however, when the roads were wet. " -- you have some redundancies and unnecessary words here.
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Many of the sources are maps. It is frequently very difficult to verify statements which are cited to these maps. Just one example: "In 1955 a couple of routing changes occurred. In Cedar Rapids, it began its move to the south, avoiding the downtown area, and in
Clinton, it was rerouted over the
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The reference is, in actuality, a log of the average annual daily traffic for every segment of road in the primary highway system. The length was derived by adding the lengths of all segments listed for US 30. I will show my work to allay any questions about how it was derived.
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The biggest problem I see in the article is overlinking. To provide a couple of examples, I saw four Ogden links at various points in the article, and one paragraph had multiple Ames and Iowa State
University links. The whole article could use a good scrubbing in this
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Left the first comment unstruck originally because I found a couple remaining examples of overlinking while checking the other comments. I just removed them, and am now content with the improvement in that regard.
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Ref 2: It is virtually impossible to verify the 15 citations to this source. Can you harness the helpful bookmarks provided to the left of the pdf? This would at least bring us to the right page.
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Like I said before, I can provide refs to the previous year's map (where possible) to show the change. The downside is that would effectively double the number of map references. –
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After working it out again, I discovered my numbers were off. I fixed it and posted the work on the talk page. You should now be able to follow the logbook line-by-line. –
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This file is actually stored locally on enwp. I am migrating it over to
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Maps are a perfectly acceptable method to source changes made to a roadway. Is the comment related to the fact that the maps aren't online or some other reason?
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Nice work. A couple more thoughts on the wet roads. "Vicious" is an interesting way to describe mud. And who said they were the equal of France's?
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Overall this is pretty good writing, though not particularly engaging – however, I can't see how engaging a road article can be.
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