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572:- thanks for the support gents. To explain why I chose this specific image. In the Performances section, there's a lot of talk of realistic vs stylised productions. I picked this image and the one from the Ninagawa production to give an idea of exactly what these terms means. Both images depict Lavinia after the mutilation, but they couldn't be more different; Rees is an absolute mess, a good example of a realistic production. Manaka on the other hand clearly shows stylisation. My thinking was that talking about realism vs stylisation is all very well and good, but with these two images, it's clearer exactly what's being discussed. 3330:. I've put forward my comments as best I understand the policy. I've provided reasons why I believe both frames are necessary which is important in indentifying that the image increases user understanding of the subject matter at hand and conveys important information. I've nothing more to say on the matter tbh. If the image is deleted I won't argue. But I genuinly believe there is no infringment here. If its going to be massive issue I might concede that perhaps just the upper frame is more appropriate but judging by articles like 3260:
upload both frames as separate images though I will still argue that they both have a place in the article. The guideline appears to be contradictory as on the one had its very existance encourages readers to upload screenshots from the video, whilst GA reviews nearly always ask for an image from the video. Yet there is a strong opposition to the uploading of images unless they depict something words can't. Alas I've simply done what I've always been told and shown is acceptable. Pages like
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I've explained why I think that both frames are required, I believe that's good enough. Like I demonstrated ... I believe there is rational for both images. I would now appreciate it Kev if you held fire and waited for others to comment. You've said your piece about why you think it should be deleted
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Non-free screenshot from a video game, used with the rationale that it shows the logos of certain football clubs. But the presence of "all the Italian club teams" is not something that's in need of visual illustration by means of their logos; can easily be covered by text alone; fails NFCC8. Uploader
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I considered this minimal and fair usuage. The two frames used are the two most prominent scenes of the video... the upper attracted much mention from the media and critics hence I felt it was necessary to show exactly how Lopez was dressed. The second frame shows Lopez dancing, an important part of
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image that most spectators/readers remember. That it has been represented in vivid realism, in contrast, say, to Peter Brook's symbolic treatment, is a signficant element of the information to be conveyed by the article. Visual representation of this is a vital and useful dimension of conveying that
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i don't think it makes a difference whether they were sandwiched together or not... IMO both frames together put forward a strong argument for existing in the article. I believe its been properly attributed as two frames and I don't see an issue with this. However if it is an issue... I'll happily
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The event occurred in 1958 when the first wave of armed conflict between the Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriot communities began. The demonstration was to bring to the British publics attention of the events and forceful movement of Turkish Cypriots to the enclaves. The reason why I never placed
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for non-free overuse in the article about the artist. One way or another the stamps should go, so choose one stamp to keep and get rid of all other non-free images to comply with NFCC. Besides which none of the stamps have any critical commentary about any of the stamps which is necessary to pass
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this demonstration was. If you don't even know the date, how can you claim it was an "extremely important" event? And even if the article did speak about it, the image doesn't seem to convey any particularly crucial piece of visual information that text couldn't also cover. If you simply want to
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I used two frames because I felt it was significant to portray the concepts in the video. It is Lopez's first video in 3 years. It has a clear concept and/or story. I felt that after constructing the video section two images were required to portray scenes from the video. Per
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her career and the song overall. I trawled through various articles and found that in all cased of multiple image use it was always two frames sandwiched together not shown separately as separate images. A regards for how two images sandwiched together meet the criteria of
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The file is on Commons with upload information etc., so I think it should be deleted and this discussion moved there if needed. (This file also has the same name as a different one on Commons.) The author is a Commons user, so I'll ask him for confirmation if possible.
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mandates minimal use of copyrighted images. Two frames jammed into one file is two separate images, not one, and cannot be described as "minimal use". Having video images at all is extremely questionable under NFCC, and having two isn't acceptable.
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just go to show how sometimes wikipedia can't even makes its own mind up when its own policies are open to interpretation. If a music video has multiple scenes what constitutes minimum usuage for screenshots? Compare something like
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no matter how important the particular demonstration, the fact that Turks marched in London in 1958 can be clearly explained in the prose and does not need a non-free image for a reader to understand that fact, so clearly fails
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Hi, did I upload this image incorrectly? This event was extremely important as it was the rise of Turkish Cypriot demonstrations in the UK against the Cypriot atrocities. To call this event a form of decoration is shameful.
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If this particular demonstration was so important, why then is the article not telling us anything about it? Actually, neither the article nor the image page are currently telling us even as much as
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inform the reader of the fact that this demonstration happened (or such demonstrations in general), you can do so easily with text alone; you don't need a non-free image for it.
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fulfil the signficance criertion. The realism and blood-thirstiness of the stage appearance of Lavinia at this moment in the play is one of its most significant images--probably
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I haven't written the article yet; give me a chance for God sake. I uploaded the image to check positioning and whatnot. In the article, I'll specifically mention that image.
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and I've commented why I think both frames should exist either as a single image or as two. I wouldn't have uploaded the image (frames) if I didn't think it passed
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While there's an argument for having too many of them, they should not be all deleted. Which ones to keep is an editorial decision that should be discussed at
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which is unacceptable. One non-free image showing the artist's work should be enough, so even deleting all three stamps will still leave two non-free images.
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It might help your keep argument if you actually demonstrated how both images that have been sandwiched together individually meet all ten criteria of
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to make space for yet another cute sparrow image of the same name on Commons (now shining through); latest version of this file now transferred to
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I have unorphaned it as I think it has a historical values as the Hull Hornets were founded in 2005 and this is a photo from 2006.
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