1673:, but your post here is unacceptable. You should do your research before calling out a fellow user. Or, for that matter, before deleting hundreds of pages. I only added my name as a maintainer because a user above asked me to fill out that template. As I also mention above, I put in work to clean up the automated template back in October. You could have also read above that UnitedStatesian made more improvements earlier this month. If that wasn't enough, you could also see those edits clearly on the history page where presumably you noticed my edit from a few days ago. And I've also long worked hard behind the scenes improving the messes I found at
1593:. These pseudo-portals are simply automated spam. Each one merely repackages a single existing navbox into a bloated, processor-intensive alternative view which adds nothing to the navbox. The navbox has the advantage that it is transcluded on each each page in the set, whereas the portal requires navigation to a separate page. In every case the head article is a significantly better navigational hub than the portal, because it includes all the the navbox and many other links.
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and subcategories, among other places. That has been far tougher than fixing issues with an automated portal, I might add. All that work also just so happens to have made the BlackBerry portal useful. So please, take a second to look before hurling accusations. Your zealously is blinding you. Oh, and
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companies, brands, product lines, bands, most all people, organizations and similar are better handled in articles. I see little difference between AFL-CIO and Mattel as both are about individual organizations not broad concepts to explore. Note the nom statement calls out "products" which
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2. (b) Nobody claimed that labeling myself as a maintainer of the portal affected anything. That was your invention, designed to (1) suggest that I was using an underhanded strategy to save the portal from deletion and (2) divert attention away from the real work that I had actually done to improve
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rather than the rest of your post, then you should reread my reply. And yes, UnitedStatesian and I only had to do minor housekeeping because, frankly, the automated portal was a useful template. I'm dumfounded that you find that to be a valid reason for deleting the portal. And it's actually 1,411
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be a case for creating portals on some or all of these topics, but even if there was consensus for single-company portals (which seems doubtful judging by recent MFDs), these drive-by spam pages are not worth keeping. If somebody want to create a genuine, curated portal which is more than an
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has "referenceless commercial content that lacks the balance we create in actual articles", please explain, because I don't see it. Also, if that's the real reason behind these deletion requests, you may need to rethink why you included other broad portals like the AFL-CIO one which have no
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soon based on closed MfDs, is that individual companies and product brandlines are not a broad topic suitable for a portal. If we allow any we open the floodgates to a lot of referenceless commercial content that lacks the balance we create in actual articles.
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edits since I started editing
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3. I don't understand what you mean by this. The instructions for that template say: "Please do not replace old portals with this template." You want users to start from scratch when there is already a functioning
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caused offence. None was intended, and its a common gender-neutral usage on en.wp. And I'm sure that your 611 total edits in 18 months were all helpful, but that's not exactly a long-service medal qualifier.
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Yes a stray vote as the bundle was being put together. This is tedious work checking thousands of pages to find ones that can be handled together logically to save holding even more MFDs. I'll invite
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Making personal attacks make be how you want to conduct a discussion, but that doesn't alter the fact that I did my research here. This remains an automated portal which fails the
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Again with the personal attacks, really? As a veteran user, you should know better, yet you're now three for three. I urge you to stick to discussing ideas and issues.
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If you really think that I'm the one making personal attacks, you need to check yourself. And if you really think that I was offended by your use of the singular
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