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1001:"For Europe this period ended in 1939, however for the United States it did not become an active and official, participant in combat until the attack on Pearl Harbor; from that point on Asian Americans were on the front lines for the U.S. Civilians of Oahu, including Japanese Americans, assisted with aid efforts following the attack; on the other side of the Pacific Filipinos who were mobilized under U.S. command, since July 1941, prepared for an attack that would come nine hours later." - I'd examine this sentence closely, as it probably needs breaking up slightly. 719:
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1010:"A quarter of those would serve in the U.S. Army Air Force with some finding their way to the Chinese Burma India theater with the 14th Air Service Group and the Chinese-American Composite Wing. Another 70 percent would go on to serve in the US Army in various units, including the 3rd, 4th, 6th, 32nd and 77th Infantry Divisions." - I wasn't sure if this quarter and 70% referred to the "75 percent (that) served in non-segregated units", or to all Chinese-Americans. 1016:"Yet, many stayed on and continued to serve in integrated units..." - The "yet" suggests that one would have expected them all to leave, which doesn't feel right. (Compare to whether we'd say "With the integration of the U.S. Armed Forces all-white units became a thing of the past. Yet, many white soldiers stayed on and continued to serve in integrated units..." - it would sound really odd.) 797:, I couldn't find significant amount of content for this section. What content I could find was included. Hopefully as historians start to write about this recent past there will be some who focus on Asian American contributions which will allow this section to expand. Is this content OK for inclusion in an attempt to elevate the article to GA?-- 973:"There are anecdotal accounts of Filipino American sailors serving as early as the Revolutionary War; however the first recorded history of Asian Americans fighting on behalf of the United States occurred in 1815..." It's unclear here what the difference between an anecdotal account and a recorded event is (i.e. an anecdote can be recorded). 563:
refers to internment in its third sentence. Military history strikes me as indivisible from the histories of the societies from which armed forces are recruited. It seems a stretch to imply, as this article currently does, that the recruitment of some Japanese Americans was separate to the internment
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Possibly a silly question, but as someone not familiar with the usage of the term, what (or who?) is an Asian American? An immigrant? An immigrant who naturalises? Someone born to immigrant parents? Someone who self-identifies as such? The article on Asian Americans provides a definition in its lead,
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It would appear we disagree as regards scope; I would still suggest that the internment issue is relevant to the raising and combat performance of those Japanese American units, and mentioning how the internment issue interacted with recruitment (if only briefly, as the article on Japanese American
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please review this quote and tweak as necessary (there a couple of repeated words and examples of irregular capitalisation. As it is a quote, I didn't want to tweak it in case these are actually part of the quote): "Gordon Chung-Hoon, a Hawaiian-born Chinese American and a 1934 U.S. Naval Academy
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I'm not a fan of the popular culture section (I'd suggest simply removing it because it is uncited and could be criticised for being cherrypicked), however, if you don't want to do that at a minimum I'd suggest removing the self ref from the section title. For instance "Military history of Asian
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Generally, I think the article needs to cover the literature on racism, Asian-Americans and the armed forces more comprehensively. It's not my specialist area, but a quick Google search on "racism asian-american military" shows a wealth of material relevant to the article.
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I have not added an image for the lead, as since the Asian American grouping is so diverse, I have not found an image that is as unifying as the one listed for the 21st Century. To use a single image would favor one ethnicity over another, and may give one ethnicity
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The lead says that "Due to the small population of Asian Americans in the 19th century their contributions were not heavily recorded." - this isn't reflected in the main text at all. Indeed, one might also suspect that 19th century racism would have played apart
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of the article. If we are to talk about the events surrounding the service of Asian Americans, than it would expand into the racism experienced by early Asian Americans and how it effected their service in the armed forces, which would expand this article
992:"Early Asian American Military Academy graduates" section - this is written heavily in the conditional, e.g. "would do this... would do that...", and would probably read much better as "did this, did that". Applies throughout the article as well. 529:
As for the Japanese American internment. I tried to focus on military history, and not on the situations surrounding it. If so I would need to write about the internment that occured on CONUS and the lack thereof on
707:"however the first recorded history of Asian Americans fighting on behalf of the United States was recorded as far back as 1815". I suggest adding a link to the conflict that this occurred in for context here; 827:
reword to avoid repetition: "depths of the Great War, the U.S. was looking to its south; Mexico was in the depths of its Civil War, and violence began to spill North over the border" (depths and depths) --:
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if there is a way to do it, I'd suggest just merging the War of Terrorism, Afghanistan and Iraq sections given the limited content. What is there is probably fine for GA if that is all that can be found;
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second comma needed: "July 26, 1862" (after 1862). There are also other examples throughout the article where this would be required if you agree, for instance "January 19, 1942" and "June 12, 1942" etc;
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I can see where you are coming from, and the Japanese American internment during World War II is important to the history of Japanese Americans, however I am of the opinion that it is outside of the
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relates to the creation of new articles, not the content of existing articles. I would disagree that Japanese American internment is outside the scope of this article; for comparison, the article on
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in the World War II section there are a couple of long paragraphs (e.g. in the Japanese Americans and Filipino Americans subsections. I wonder if these could be split to break up the text a little;
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Japanese and Chinese American are generally not hyphenated in Academic Sources, and thus I have kept with that and not used the hyphen here. This goes back to a renaming attempt/controversy of the
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this might need a citation if you are aiming for GA: "These graduates would lose their status as U.S. Nationals in 1935 and many would go on to serve the young Armed Forces of the Philippines."
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I am probably not qualified to comment on content, but to me it seems that the Gulf War and 21st century sections seem quite underdeveloped when compared to the earlier sections. Regards,
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agree with the above regarding the table of contents, as it currently creates a large amount of whitespace (if you use a TOC limiter e.g. "{{TOC limit|3}} ", it would reduce this space);
824:"He survived some of the bloodiest battles of the war and is believed to have achieved the highest rank of any Chinese to serve in the Union Army, having reached the rank of corporal"; 107: 995:"While the rest of the world was as in the depths of the Great War..." I'd specify the year. I'd also note that not all of the rest of the world were involved in the First World War. 976:"Joseph Pierce (his chosen name)..." Is he the John T. referred to in the previous para? If so, worth either explaining this, or starting with "Another Chinese-American soldier...". 704:
repetition: "however the first recorded history of Asian Americans fighting on behalf of the United States was recorded as far back as 1815" (recorded and recorded: perhaps reword);
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Presently the images change from left to right, however that is not necessary. Would other editors suggest that all images be right aligned, or is alternating alignment OK?
1007:"Additionally the Military Intelligence Service made a huge contribution to the war effort as it consisted of Japanese Americans" - didn't it have German speakers as well? 823:
reword: "He survived some of the bloodiest battles fought during the Civil War and is the highest known ranking (Corporal) Chinese to serve in the Union Army" --: -->
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service can deal with the details) is of considerable value to the reader. That said, your compromise seems reasonable, though I would render the internal link as:
522:. I will be working on the lead later to summarize the article, and I can see why repeating the Asian American definition maybe necessary, if not a little 76: 495:
but this article ought to provide some sort of definition, if only so a reader can tell what the article will cover. Also, surprised to see no mention of
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General remark, lots of small paragraphs, reads a bit choppy, may be (may be) okay for GA but seek to improve the flow and general style of the article.
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probably needs a citation for GA, as it appears uncited: "In 1948, President Truman ordered the desegregation of the United States Military";
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Japanese Americans sections. I'm not a specialist, but I think the "ancestry" bits may mask some pretty ugly racism at the time.
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I'm not sure that this is necessary: "fifty nine thousand (59,000)". I suggest just using "59,000". Same with "eighty two (82)";
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so as to make obvious that the internal link is to 'Japanese American internment' and not to 'internment' more generally. --
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The other members of the 442nd RCT were Japanese Americans from the continental United States and mostly White officers.
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Sergeant Major is a title and are rightfully capitalized. I have decapitalized cadets, per the manual of style found
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I've listed this article for peer review because I am seeking to make edits in order to prepare this article for
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Like others, I think the article needs to explain early on who Asian-Americans are for the non-US readership.
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I have made a section on the talk page to work towards an appropriate lead. Others are welcome to assist me
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I have reformatted the sentence which I believe is being referred to above; see change
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Check image captions, those which aren't complete sentences shouldn't have a period.
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Added reference as requested regarding loss of National status, see change
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I'll see about working on a summarization, but I can use some suggestions.
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irregular capitalisation: "Medal of Honor, and As of March 2011" --: -->
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references internment in its opening sentence, while the article on the
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Consider paring down the table of contents to just third-level headings.
229:"Japanese Americans" seems that this should be hyphenated or en-dashed. 262:
Many images left and right, take care not to squash text between them.
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by convention, ship names are usually presented in italics: e.g. USS
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As a compromise I can see integrating something like the following:
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The lead needs to be expanded to summarise the article more fully.
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Changed capitalization in the Interwar period section, see change
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Big see also/previous section of links. Can you be more refined?
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Fixed the quote regarding Rear Admiral Chung-Hoon, see change
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Would look to expand the lead considerably. It's intended to
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Not sure, but do we always capitalise "Century" for century?
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Check the consistency of whether you say "%" or "percent".
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The templates usually go below the External links section.
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Change made regarding the Mexican Revolution, see change
236:" who was posthumously..." just think you need a link to 789:
As for the minimal content for the 21st century, due to
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