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897:. I see no harm in having both redirects and I think that this alternative should also be listed as an alternative redirect on the guideline. Many policies, guidelines and even essays have more than one redirect. I don't think it will confuse editors, as it hasn't done for other pages with more than one redirect. The new redirect is also more accurate based on the page name change which occurred recently.-- 812: 972:
known by the other short cut, and I'm concerned about the potential for confusion (e.g., editors saying, "MEDRS says we should always..." and another "Then MEDRS conflicts with RSMED, which says we may not..." -- when they're all talking about the same page). This sort of confusion has happened with
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and that shortcut widely used explicitly rather than as a piped link with longer text. This new shortcut has not been used to any degree and wasn't even advertised as a shortcut on the guideline page until recently. The extra shortcut will only cause confusion when people see this new abbreviation on
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Delete. Originally a shortcut for "WP:ATT#reliable sources whenever possible" it has not been used to any degree and wasn't even advertised as a shortcut on the guideline page until recently. It isn't an abbreviation for "Identifying reliable sources". The "whenever possible" phrase appears nowhere
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the current or prior targets, and is misleading to someone searching for information about Vietnam. Analogously, "Waterloo II" should not be a redirect to any of the defeats that have been compared to Napoleon's Waterloo, nor should there be a disambiguation page listing such comparisons. ~
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Delete. Unhelpful "shortcut" to an "information page" that has essentially zero traffic. I'm not sort what algorithm the author used to shorten "Reasonability" to RSNB but its lack of use is evidence of its non-obvious nature. This redirect shortcut has only recently been advertised on the
989:). Also, the page (long name) has been moved twice this year with zero efforts at discussion and I suspect more silent grumbling than merely my own, so making it 'reflect the new title of the project page' is probably a bad idea. 223:. Are there reliable sources that use this figurative language without otherwise identifying what is being referred to, showing that the referent is presumed to be understood by established convention? ~ 367: 1098: 819: 39: 34: 944: 841: 266:
As some consider the French-Vietnam war of the 50's to be the first, and the American-Vietnam war of the 70s to be the second Vietnam War, these redirects are useless.
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is really the place to decide on this. Many pages have multiple redirects so that isn't an issue. Not confusing with other targets.
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shortcut is widely understood and used as an abbreviation in discussions. To have RSMED will cause confusion, I fully agree with
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as this shortcut reflets the new title of the project page more accurate and there is no harm of having two shortcuts.
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Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a
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Moved to main space - no idea why it was moved to user space in the first place, as the user is not active --
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Reading WP:RNEUTRAL, I believe there is a significant distinction to be drawn between terminology used to
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has three shortcuts already so I wouldn't advocate adding a fourth by modifying this one to point there.
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This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on September 6, 2010
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other guidelines, although the problem is (much) greater with shortcuts to specific sections (e.g.,
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as G6 and tagged as such. Leftover redirect after page move; created in banned user's user space.
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The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.
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The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.
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The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.
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The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.
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not helpful and potentially confusing;; plenty of alternatives; not widely used.
537:. Strange, I thought I created it to point to the Reliable Sources Noticeboard. -- 180:– unverifiable term for the Afghanistan War, not to mention blatant POV-pushing. – 745:
not helpful and potentially confusing;; plenty of alternatives; not widely used.
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Delete. This is absurd to have a confusing shorcut. It is not RS. It is MEDRS.
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something, especially by analogy, and an "established term" that is used to
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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects.
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If the new article is deleted after the PROD, I'll tidy the redirect up.
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This doesn't sound like a plausible redirect to me. Traffic is low.
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Delete. The medical RS guideline is universally known as
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283:. This is not an "established term" that is used to 1055:). No further edits should be made to this section. 803:). No further edits should be made to this section. 659:). No further edits should be made to this section. 466:). No further edits should be made to this section. 329:). No further edits should be made to this section. 76:). No further edits should be made to this section. 842:Knowledge:Identifying reliable sources (medicine) 618:- clearly, it was a mistake in the first place. 584:if pointed to the reliable sources noticeboard. 712:in the tile or body of the current guideline. 8: 363:Knowledge:Long-term abuse/MascotGuy/list 358:Knowledge:Long term abuse/MascotGuy/list 311:Knowledge:Long term abuse/MascotGuy/list 1090:User:Ganerer/List of Cambodian singers 1037:User:Ganerer/List of Cambodian singers 691:Knowledge:Identifying reliable sources 561:Knowledge:Reliable sources/Noticeboard 541:Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 7: 249:is one of many in reliable sources. 1061:The result of the discussion was 665:The result of the discussion was 472:The result of the discussion was 335:The result of the discussion was 28: 18:Knowledge:Redirects for discussion 809:The result of the discussion was 157:War in Afghanistan (2001–present) 131:War in Afghanistan (2001–present) 105:War in Afghanistan (2001–present) 82:The result of the discussion was 810: 559:That would make sense. 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Index

Knowledge:Redirects for discussion
Log
September 5
September 7
deletion review
עוד מישהו
Od Mishehu
20:22, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
Vietnam War II
War in Afghanistan (2001–present)
links to redirect
history
stats
Vietnam II
War in Afghanistan (2001–present)
links to redirect
history
stats
2nd Vietnam War
War in Afghanistan (2001–present)
links to redirect
history
stats
MuZemike
19:22, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
WP:RFD#HOWTO
WP:RNEUTRAL
Bridgeplayer
talk
19:42, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

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