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both have to keep it down. Don't feel insulted by Jayjg's tracing your other edits – while I haven't yet read your full edit history, judging by just what you've said around this article and the ones immediately linked in from here, it seems you are frustrated with what you perceive as a pro-Israeli WP bias, but this seems to result in extremely POV and sometimes insulting remarks (to my personal perception, and I don't feel any animousity towards anybody who keeps contributing and doesn't just troll). It is no surprise that, having seen such remarks, other editors that want to achieve NPOV, will re-trace your history of edits (and Jayjg's as well, and mine, and whoever else's). Try not to take it as if it were in the real world, where a detective is spying on every part of your private life – WP is inherently fully open, there is no private life here, and you don't own anything but the "deltas" on the history lists, as you certainly understand. Instead of taking somebody tracing your edits personally, try to reform – for a good start, how about going over this page and replacing your own POV remarks with NPOV ones, and maybe even crossing out or removing some of the things you said here? You have just addressed the open source nature of the Wiki, having others tracing your edits is part of the game you have to accept to play. And if you reformulate stronger expressions, remove them, or even ask someone's pardon. Don't start right with the ones you had addressed to Jayjg, try working on a couple of others. This is just a suggestion – if I were you, I'd feel much better repairing the damage done by the strong emotions and unjust (in many editors' eyes) labels stuck; the reason is that in real life I have gotten into similar situations that you seem to have gotten yourself into here, and repairing the damage was always the key to the cure. If right now you feel you can't do it w/o getting angry or stressed, just
1269:. In a number of cases you have knowingly made false statements about my actions, in particular accusing me of re-directing articles which you are aware I have never re-directed. Though I have generally ignored these violations, at times I have requested that you cease this behaviour, and instead reserve the Talk: pages for discussions of article content (not me), and work collegially with me in editing articles. I have even complimented you on some of your edits, in an attempt to defuse the situation. However, so far you have rejected my requests (as well as those of other editors) to cease these personal attacks. I am requesting again that you indicate to me clearly and without qualification that you will follow Knowledge norms regarding etiquette. I am placing this note on your Talk: page to indicate to you how seriously I take this. Respectfully, 1680:
is to Islam as Zionism is to Judaism" meaning that both are extremist ideologies of religious nationalism) and this has apparently infuriated Jayjg, among others, who are extremely ardent Zionists. To punish me for expressing opinions with which he disagrees, Jayjg has pursued an abusive approach of stalking my edits on Palestinian-related pages and quickly reverting or altering most of them at every opportunity, usually without justification or explanation. I believe he does this to harass me and drive me out of Knowledge for reasons unrelated to the actual edits themselves. I have never had this experience with other Wikipedians on any other subject so I believe it is unusual and reflects a problem with Jayjg - not with my edits.
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descends and acts as if he owns the page. I fear that Knowledge's objectivity in controversial areas is being compromised as pages become dominated by gangs of aggressive partisan ideologues and NPOV editors suffer harassment from individuals like Jayjg who relentlessly push their extremist POV, refusing to honestly discuss issues, compromise, or consider the damage done by their deep-seated biases. If Jayjg succeeds in his campaign to ultimately ban me from Knowledge, then this destructive process will only accelerate.
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regarding Israel's assassination yesterday and Hamas goals. Your edits added nothing and were, in fact, awkwardly worded and poorly composed. You made them out of simple spiteful editorial bias, to erase my work. You always want the final word and the article must fit your pro-Israeli POV. I suspect you are hoping to drive people away from Knowledge who don't share your narrow views. It is immature and destructive behavior. I will continue working on various pages and hope for you to mature.
445:, why Palestinian refugees should have been displaced from their homeland and forced to be absorbed by Arab, European, American or other countries. The article does not reflect those facts. The article makes a swipe at UNRWA as if to say that Jewish refugees with a country to settle were more industrious than Palestinians who were kicked out of their country to make way for those very same Jews. It's your typical Zionist propaganda. 1130:, I've never even looked at that article and it's the first time I remember hearing that name in my life. To be honest, I'm not going to follow it up in the immediate future, because I'm finding this whole argument a massive distraction and I'm trying not to broaden the already excessive drain on my time: I'm not going to be sucked into actively working on every contentious article in Knowledge. 1530:). In the span of a mere four weeks he has written some informative things. BUT, when it gets to the Israel/Zionism/Judaism-Palestine/Arab/Islam issues he instinctively aims to paint Israel and Zionism articles (and any editor he deems associated with them in ways that enrage him) in very negative and destructive POVs. His main focus has been as acting as an apologist for a pro- 1330:, the notorious Zionist POV pusher, has been stalking me all over Knowledge reverting and deleting most of my work because he can't stand to see NPOV edits to pages related to Israel. He is extremely biased, as you well know. Now he is trying to get me banned so he can continue to censor Knowledge without having to worry about maintaining a NPOV. I'd appreciate your support. 146:
you complaining that the Red Cross is partisan and can't be trusted. As an aside, is your life so utterly meaningless that the best you can do is follow my Knowledge activity to in oreder to take slim satisfaction in trying to annoy me with your reverts, deletes, and POV edits of my pages. Why don't you leave me alone, you annoying little Jayjgboy?
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want to have it both ways, always. YOU are the one who is not discussing your reverts. Why the gratuitous slap at the UN and UNRWA? Why compare Jewish refugees from Arab countries who were absorbed by Israel to Palestinian refugees who were dispossessed by the creation of Israel? It's totally irrelevant and petty.
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excluding the highly POV changes you inserted. I also have not changed subseqent NPOV edits you have made; my only concern here is maintaining NPOV. In any event, I again strongly encourage you to restrict your comments to discussing the article contents, rather than continually and rather incessantly making
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Well, if everyone who has ever disagreed with you and everyone who has ever supported you is not an outsider, then we'd have very few Wikipedians left (and most of those probably have no interest in this RfC.) So, common sense suggests that only those directly involved be fully disqualified (the rest
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change the articles of other users? I also noticed that some people in Knowledge use to change others´ articles to promote their own world views. I will not take off the reason from a guy who´s valid articles have been changed, only because he is short-tempered. Jaying should be put under discussion.
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is on a witchhunt against me, pursuing me throughout Knowledge, making unnecessary, innaccurate, and worst of all, extremely POV edits to many many articles on which I have labored with a very NPOV approach. On the Talk pages, I have expressed an anti-Zionist POV (for instance, I wrote that "Islamism
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is on a witchhunt against me, pursuing me throughout Knowledge, making unnecessary, innaccurate, and worst of all, extremely POV edits to many many articles on which I have labored with a very NPOV approach. On the Talk pages, I have expressed an anti-Zionist POV (for instance, I wrote that "Islamism
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The point is that Jews, many of them wealthy, lived in Arab countries alongside their fellow Arabs until the Euro-American Zionist creation of the Jewish state on Palestinian land created a conflict between Arabs and Jews that made Arab Jews unwelcome in the land they lived on for 1000s of years. You
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Your edits added nothing and were, in fact, awkwardly worded and poorly composed. You made them out of simple spiteful editorial bias, to erase my work. You always want the final word and the article must fit your pro-Israeli POV. I suspect you are hoping to drive people away from Knowledge who don't
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The issue is not whether they agreed with me or supported me, but whether they have exhibited the exact same behaviour towards me, in contravention of Knowledge's policies. Not surprisingly, the 3 other Wikipedians who have done so had a great interest in this page, and all should have disqualified
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Note: Jayjg suggested that HistoryBuffer's vote be 'disqualified', simply for opposing him. According to Jayjg's logic, anyone who opposes him shouldn't count. He also questioned whether my vote counts. This is typical of his methods. He has also accused me, without providing a shred of evidence, of
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have been abusive, and have consisted of nothing but personal attacks. Alberuni seems incapable of recognizing his own bad behavior, and instead, he continues to blame Jayjg. In response to this RfC, and the collective concerns raised about Alberuni's behavior towards Jayjg (and others), Alberuni
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He got so offended that he went on a passive/aggressive witch-hunt against me. Jayjg began looking up all my edits and page creations and began undermining the ones that offend his Zionist perspective. His behavior is ridiculously abusive. I try to take him to the Talk page but he just bull-headedly
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Whatever wrongs you think have been done to the "Jewish nation," spewing Zionist propaganda throughout Knowledge pages only serves to perpetuate negative stereotypes about the "Jews". You should heed your own advice - although I doubt you (plural) have the ability to perceive your arrogance and deep
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Your POV pushing is outrageous and reprehensible and you do this all the time, day in and day out like some traumatized Holocaust survivor. Except when you are editing pages to promote your views of circumcision(+) and Jesus(-). You seem to think your view is the only authorized view and no one else
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dispute, not different disputes. The persons complaining must provide evidence of their efforts, and each of them must certify it by signing this page with ~~~~. If this does not happen within 48 hours of the creation of this dispute page (which was: {insert UTC timestamp with ~~~~~}), the page will
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21:47, Oct 14, 2004 (UTC). I certify that the above descriptions are accurate. I am disturbed by the use of anti-Semitic attacks being made against Alberuni's opponents. He also seems to be working with HistoryBuffEr, as he says the exact same things on the exact same topic. More likely, Alberuni
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statements regarding me. I will also point out that the charge of "stalking" is laughable, given that I was editing this page (and therefore it was on my watchlist) before you even joined Knowledge, and that my most recent edits on Sept. 26 also precede your first edits to the page. If there is any
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They are not corrolary cases. Israel confiscated the land of Palestinians for the use of Jewish refugees. Palestinians did not receive the Arab Jews' land when they immigrated to Israel. Palestinians remained refugees. Jews were absorbed by the new country built on Palestinian land. This line looks
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I am not sure if I agree with the "live by the sword, die by the sword" statement completely. I do agree that Jayjg does regularly request persons making changes to "propose them in Talk first", and doesn't always do so himself, and I do think that whomever wrote this is partly correct about it, I
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Actually, Alberuni should know better than to make major POV controversial changes to existing pages without getting concensus first; failure to do so invites swift reversion from any number of editors who have worked hard to get "high-emotion" pages into a negotiatied NPOV stasis. HistoryBuffEr,
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I'm trying to steer a neutral course between Pename and Alberuni in the Muhammad article and finding it tough going. Alberuni deletes anything he deems critical of Muhammad with summaries like "Islamophobic Orientalist BS". Name calling and unwillingness to tolerate the existence of viewpoints not
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when I noticed it mentioned on the talk page of the Al-Mezan article already. Alberuni, you still seem to be a bit nervous when talking to Jayjg, and you keep using much more unnecessary (IMHO) labeling epithets and other rhetoric instead of proving your case. To have you two working together, you
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Please do not begin your ad hominem attacks by accusing me (or others with whom you disagree) of turning these pages into a venue for promoting political agendas. I won't return the charges although it is quite clear that you suffer severe biases and a conceited arrogance that you need to check at
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Yet, you persist in trying to neutralize their legitimacy simply because your Zionist POV is offended that a human rights organization is critical of Israelis for their atrocities against Palestinians. You know, when teh Nazis were oppressing the Jews, I'm sure there were complicit apologists like
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I believe that Jayig is using the open-edit Knowledge system to try to change history. He is clearly fighting what he seems to consider anti-americanism - but hey! Knowledge was not made to be pro-american too! The truth is the truth. if Israel is the vilain-country in the MidEast, why does Jayig
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just before Jayjg listed it for deletion. I regret that error. I also admit that Jayjg's constant needling harassment has caused me to "lose my cool" and resort to uncivil langauge. I regret that too. I tried to avoid conflict with Jayjg and ignore him but he continues to pursue me to ridiculous
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and get to a completely different topic (my original "Relax" advice at the top of the talk still applies – you've got several more days to think things over...) If you feel the topic is too hot for you, well, you've said what you've said here and you are ready to accept the vote outcome, so maybe
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After we had our Talk/Israel disagreements over whether Palestinians should have their demographic existence in OT recognized as much as the Israelis who live in the OT, you came to the Hamas page and made a series of totally unnecessary reversions to my edits, reversions to your reversions, etc
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After we had our Talk/Israel disagreements over whether Palestinians should have their demographic existence in OT recognized as much as the Israelis who live in the OT, you came to the Hamas page and made a series of totally unnecessary reversions to my edits, reversions to your reversions, etc
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Alburuni's criticism of Israel and Zionism is rather POV, as would be a Zionist's praise of Israel. NPOV is an attempt to tell the truth, not a distorted opinion of the truth. Moreover, this criticism has anti-Semitic overtones. (If I have a POV here, it's a Jewish POV, and, of course, Jews are
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I am prepared to tone down my comments on Talk pages and edit summaries but I cannot countenance Jayjg's incessant abuse. I intend to continue my editing in as unbiased a fashion as possible. This doesn't seem to be a problem until an edit is made to a Mideast-related page at which point Jayjg
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Knowledge's objectivity in controversial areas is being compromised as pages become dominated by gangs of aggressive partisan ideologues and NPOV editors suffer harassment from individuals like Jayjg who relentlessly push their extremist POV, refusing to honestly discuss issues, compromise, or
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I am prepared to tone down my comments on Talk pages and edit summaries but I cannot countenance Jayjg's incessant abuse. I intend to continue my editing in as unbiased a fashion as possible. This doesn't seem to be a problem until an edit is made to a Mideast-related page at which point Jayjg
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Are you sure that Israel was not involved in any way with the US war on Iraq and Afghanistan? You would think that Israel would be a better ally and stand up with the US in its time of need. Why wouldn't Israel marshal its resources to help the USA, its best friend in the world to attack Iraq,
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Jayjg you have not made your case, why do you persist in your petty edit war: You backtracked on your mocking claim (a) above that this human rights organization is partisan even though you complained that it was too hard for you to bother reading their annual report to find evidence that they
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An unsurpisingly deceptive and false comment. I stated that HisoryBuffEr should disqualify himself, not that he should be "disqualified". In addition, I did not question whether your vote counts, I suggested you should disqualify yourself as well. And this is an RfC about Alberuni, not me.
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14:34, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC) Verdict makes sense. I can also confirm Jayjg relentless POV edits, and his stalking. As I have mentioned elsewhere - Jayjg's methods include sounding reasonable on Talk pages whilst pushing extremist views on the actual pages. He frequently resorts to quoting various
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should not be matter of "confronting" someone's edits on some other, tangentially related article. It should be a matter of producing a good article on the topic at hand. As I've said before, I totally reject the tactic of retaliatory bad-faith edits, and I'm really amazed that you seem to be
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Look at the history of the edits on the page; I had edited the article twice on Sep 26 before you appeared (for the very first time) and made your edits. I then returned to the page a few hours later and continued to edit it, incorporating the NPOV material that you brought to the page, while
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was both POV and incomplete. My edit was NPOV but also incomplete. Neither was "inaccurate". Alberuni's subsequent edit incorporated my information, and added his own original information in a NPOV manner, thus showing that he both agreed with my information, and realized his original was
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Good summary. While Alberuni is not really responding appropriately, with personal attacks and general rudeness, he has a right to be upset. Jayjg is a POV-pusher and a troll. Trying to make articles NPOV when Jayjg is on a mission to install pro-Israel and pro-Jewish points of view is
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had been editing before he had ever edited them. Though various editors have requested he cease this behaviour, and instead reserve the Talk: pages for discussions of article content, and work collegially in editing articles, instead he has ignored these requests and defended his actions.
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posts a false accusation in his RfC complaining about false accusations. I was not involved in any disputes with Alberuni, much less "supporting him in every case". The only "involvement" I recall is that Alberuni once endorsed my view in some Talk, I don't think I even replied to that.
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Oh please, your hypocrisy is astounding. I am not making Holocaust denial claims. I am just quoting others in an attempt to add an "NPOV balance"; the same way Jayjg and his gang claim to be adding NPOV balance when they insert quotes from articles disputing Israeli responsibility for
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The summary above is factually correct (though of course not unbiased). It shows that Alberuni needs to cease making personal attacks, refrain from constant accusations, and use the talk pages appropriately. (This does not mean that I support Jayjg's positions, edits, or attitude.)
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Indeed. In fact, three of the four "outside views" are guilty of the exact same conduct as Alberuni (one to a lesser extent), both off this page and on it, indicating to me a profound misunderstanding of and/or disregard for Knowledge norms, and the RfC purpose and process.
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has caused me to "lose my cool" and resort to uncivil langauge. I regret that too. I tried to avoid conflict with Jayjg and ignore him but he continues to pursue me to ridiculous lengths. For instance he felt compelled to edit an article I created about a simple land measure
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Regarding your kind thoughts for the surviving Palestinians in diaspora and, I'm sure also those who have been killed (some today!) to make living space for the more important refugees, the circle closes as I'm reminded of similar cheery advice from a bygone era; "werk macht
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Jayjg please refrain from stalking and unnecessary edits - I know Knowledge is a collaborative effort but you are making edits that add no significant value or new information apparently just so you can "have the last word". Control issues should be checked.
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Hello! Now we are getting to the crux of the problem. You, and you are not alone, see all Palestinians as "terrorists" and so, of course, it is acceptable to gun them all down in self-defense. That's the logic that makes possible Jenin, Jabalia, Auschwitz and
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Your edits reflect a narrow-minded, virulently Zionist POV. You are not amenable to NPOV edits that offend your Zionist sensibilities. You stalk my history of contributions looking to revert edits with which you disagree. Your tone is condescending and
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POV should have no unneccessary place in Knowledge outside of the discussion pages. (Yes, I endorse both this outsider summary and the anti-Alburuni summary, because Alberuni is behaving badly, and Jayjg should know better than to react excessively to
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Excuse me if I don't bother to answer your "challenges" in the future. If you request information or wish to engage in sincere open-minded dialogue, I might respond. Condescension, patronizing arrogance, and narrow-minded Zionist POV pushing will go
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Jayjg please refrain from stalking and unnecessary edits: I know Knowledge is a collaborative effort but you are making edits that add no significant value or new information apparently just so you can "have the last word". Control issues should be
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I would like to agree with the above statement. I have only been reading Alburuni's comments for about an hour and am quite surprised with the high level of bias he seems to display. Seems certainly anti-Israel, if not anti-semetic altogether.
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try to meddiate, Alberuni did answered one of Jayge questions but it is lost in a black sea of inflammatory attacks againsst Jayjg. He didn't even give civility or discussion-to-the-point a chance. The article itself, which was created
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has a right to an opinion. You refuse to discuss issues and just keep pushing your POV. You have no more authority than anyone else Jayjg. You need help Jayjg, serious mental help from a competent Jewish psychiatrist, like your father.
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in the user. Don't accuse people of things like stalking you, and don't use inflamatory language (like "Why not call it Ziopedia?"). If you're sure there's a problem, try to talk it over with the person on his or her talk page, in as
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article. Going over the history of this dispute, I'm suspecting that HistoryBuffEr may actually be a sock puppet of Alberuni. I may be wrong, but they do seem similar in both their intent and their criticism (attacks) on Jayg.
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has been directly involved in a number of the disputes with Alberuni, supporting Alberuni in every case, I strongly disagree that this is an "Outside view", and suggest that it be moved to a more appropriate section.
1456:. On this VfD, Alberuni, rabidly attacked anyone with a different POV and called them names. Alberuni then went on a POV edit war, going so far as to make malicious categorizations. Alberuni's interactions with 1967:
Although I think this page is about one user and so I endorsed the anti-Alberuni summary, the reality is that both sides are heavily at fault, and this captures that well. I feel I have to endorse this one too.
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You are extremely arrogant and condescending. I was responding to your off-topic anti-Arab hasbara propaganda about Jewish wealth that was accumulated in Arab countries but that you credit to colonial powers.
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Alberuni's response essentially boils down to "I shouldn't have done it, but Jayjg was so terrible that he made me do it"; hardly a recognition of any sort of responsibility for upholding Knowledge rules.
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I'm sure you can offer some official justification to erase Israel's bloody culpability and paint Israel in as rosy a light as possible. It's not an ad hominem attack, just an observation of your pattern.
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I agree with Quadell's statement above (though I generally agree with Jayjg). It would be a shame for Alberuni to be banned with his knowledge on many things, but his manner of conduct is unacceptable.
234:...Yes, I thought it was well known that the Phalangists were armed and supervised by the IDF, the IDF was responsible for the safety of the refugees, and the IDF allowed them to be massacred by proxy. 1103:'s murder. To quote Jayjg, we're not pushing a POV, we're "just reporting who says what". For you to attack me for using their tactics while not confronting them in the same way is pure hypocrisy. -- 182:
If the logic of including Israelis in the OT has nothing to do with the Israeli occupation of the OT then why don't you include the numbers of Israelis living in the USA, Europe, Asia, Africa, etc?
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Again, I'll have to ask you to please stop your barrage of personal attacks on WP users. This is counterproductive to both your political cause (whatever it is) and the collaborative spirit of WP.
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Why don't you address the issue instead of categorically regurgitating Zionist propaganda as if it was fact? By the way, when did you stop claiming that "there is no such thing as a Palestinian?"
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kind of change HistoryBuffEr has ever made to a Knowledge article, aside from listing a series of articles as "totally disputed" without actually raising disputes on the relevant talk pages.
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The continuous effort to edit, delete, obstruct, manipulate, minimize and whitewash Israeli crimes is a glaring example of a political bias being foisted on Knowledge by advocates of Zionism.
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has been directly involved in a number of disputes with me, showing the same behaviour as Alberuni and often worse in many cases, he should disqualify himself from having an 'Outside view'"
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RfC is not about getting people banned (as Alberuni has claimed more than once), but rather is a request for third party, neutral comment on a dispute. Alberuni refuses to acknowledge this.
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Israel's declared enemy with whom they were in a state of war? It really is a big mystery, isn't it Jayjg? Makes you wonder what good they are after all the $ 100 billion we've given them (
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01:26, 12 Oct 2004 (hist) Jabalia (You are trying to insert your insidious Zionist POV by equating all Palestinians with Palestinian militants and assuming that all Israelis are civilians)
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My statement that HistoryBuffEr may be a sock puppet of Alberuni may indeed be wrong, but I will stand by my general statement regarding the actions above and HistoryBuffEr's actions. --
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is because we argued over whether Hamas being labelled a terrorist organization is NPOV on the Hamas talk page and we argued about other issues on Arab-Israeli, israel, and other pages.
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I've been pleading with Alberuni to work co-operatively, and to talk things over with me on my Talk: page, and even been very positive about some of his edits, but as yet to no avail.
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He follows me around, reverts many edits dealing with the Mideast, redirects pages and nominates pages for Votes for deletion in an effort to promote his Zionist POV on Knowledge pages
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To the rest of the world, the territories are recognized as Occupied Territories because they are militarily occupied by Israel even though Israel has no legal claim to the land.
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This is a summary written by the user whose conduct is disputed, or by other users who think that the dispute is unjustified and that the above summary is biased or incomplete.
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03:05, 14 Oct 2004 (hist) Arab-Israeli conflict (Jayjg means that everyone else must justify their edits to him, he only has to justify himself to God - go to Talk page nit)
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The above shows the tragic self-deception that afflicts Jayjg. If he didn't go around suggesting people disqualify themselves maybe he wouldn't cause so much animosity. --
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Well, I'm involved in none of the disputes with Alberuni, and I fully endorse and agree with this summary. So if you have a problem with it, just pretend I'm the author.
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regularly requests anyone making changes to "propose them in Talk first", but he himself never does so. These are clearly provocations that can be infuriating, and while
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00:57, 14 Oct 2004 (hist) Al Mezan Center for Human Rights (Rv edits by the partisan Zionist POV pusher Jayjg to NPOV version, You are ignoring Talk pages again Jayjg)
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They were involved in the articles themselves, but how were they involved in our specific conflict? I remind you, the conflict raised here concerns violations of
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themselves. That still leaves several hundred (several thousand?) Wikipedians who are quite qualified to view the facts and make reasonably impartial judgements.
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The territories are not considered merely "disputed" by anyone except those with the POV of militant Israelis who hope to annex more Arab land to the Jewish state.
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I have never had this experience with other Wikipedians on any other subject so I believe it is unusual and reflects a problem with Jayjg - not with my edits.
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15:51, 13 Oct 2004 (hist) Al Mezan Center for Human Rights (Until you can produce evidence that they are not partisan, keep your biased edits to yourself.)
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Instead of constantly butting your head against the revert button like it's the Wailing Wall, why don't you "improve" it with your usual Zionist POV slant?
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statements towards me on Talk: pages over the past couple of weeks have violated some primary Knowledge rules, including (but certainly not limited to)
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05:40, 14 Oct 2004 (hist) Dunam (Dunam is the measure currently in use, Jayjg's insufferably heavy handed stalking and inaccurate edits corrected again)
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You've made a number of good edits today, Alberuni. If you continue in this vein we should have no trouble working together on articles in the future.
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03:02, 14 Oct 2004 (hist) Hasbara (Anti-Israel - You know, not everything in the world is divided into pro-Israel and anti-Israel, geez what a mindset)
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It's better to just ignore them as in WP Dispute Resolution step 1. "Avoidance: The best way to resolve a dispute is to avoid it in the first place."
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topics and escapades that seem to hold his interest, some of which (i.e. the Knowledge articles) he initiated (as if it were a contest for today's
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more like a petty complaint that the Jews did not get money from UNRWA aid "unlike the Palestinians" - as if the Palestinians got the better deal.
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I see. You consider my pointing out the difference between Judaism the religion and Zionism the nationalist political ideology as "uncivilized".
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on Palestinian-related pages and quickly reverting or altering most of them at every opportunity, usually without justification or explanation.
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01:03, 14 Oct 2004 (hist) Talk:Al Mezan Center for Human Rights (Jayjg you have not made your case, why do you persist in your petty edit war)
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decrying the legitimacy of UN territorial dispute adjudication when it was the UN that created the modern state of Israel in the first place.
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Human rights organizations like the Red Cross also seemed very partisan to the Nazis, for obvious reasons. Alberuni 04:29, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)
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despite the very deep-seated pro-Israel POV throughout your subject matter. So if there is nothing wrong with being a Zionist propagandist
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was right? No, you are saying it is wrong, but then you are going and doing essentially the same thing. Have I defended Jayjg's edits in
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The grossly Zionist POV editors are still disputing the very existence of the Palestinian people let alone the illegal Israeli occupation
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No, that would make no sense. I have no issue with people who criticize my behaviour, but I do have an issue with people who violate
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share your narrow views. It is immature and destructive behavior. I will continue working on various pages and hope for you to mature.
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Neutrality turned it into a re-direct; I'm not sure why Alberuni still resists following the fairly brief edit history of that page.
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This is a summary written by users not directly involved with the dispute but who would like to add an outside view of the dispute.
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just ignore the article until the vote is over, and work on the other issues meanwhile... Good luck – I'm off to get some sleep...
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Knowledge rules whilst ignoring the central tenet of Knowledge: NPOV. Note that Jayjg is trying to interfere with process above.
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He has systematically tried to revert many of my edits and new page creations of the past 24 hours for purely political purposes.
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Zionists are systematically pushing their extremist POV down Wikipedians' throats and no one has the balls to stand up to them.
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the door. You are not an objective arbiter of objectivity. Your brand of extremism is easily recognized. You are POV incarnate.
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are not NPOV. At other times, Jayjg appears aware of the difference but chooses nevertheless to promote his opinion as fact.
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consider the damage done by their deep-seated biases. If Jayjg succeeds in his campaign to ultimately ban me from Knowledge,
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If Jayjg succeeds in his campaign to ultimately ban me from Knowledge, then this destructive process will only accelerate.
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I find Alberuni's response highly disturbing. We are not trying to ban Alberuni. We are trying to get him to adhere to
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This is not ]. This is not the place to debate Jayjg's faults. Alberuni should be judged according to his own conduct.
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I believe he does this to harass me and drive me out of Knowledge for reasons unrelated to the actual edits themselves.
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Your description of manipulative passive/aggressive behavior is accurate, in my opinion. Some people are like insects.
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When you have trouble with a user, whether it's a sysop or not, the best way to procede is to first try your best to
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delivers these "silent" insults without adequate explanation, and quite often without any justification. Moreover,
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Your gratuitous reversions of comparison between UN aid to victims of Israel and refugees to Israel is irrelevant.
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don't think it is as bad as the author describes it, and I absolutely do not think it is an adequete comparison.--
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to you, Al-Mezan must be partisan because they are located in a refugee camp created by your beloved Jewish state.
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Why are alternative, let alone opposing, points of view edited out? These are relevant questions for a Talk page.
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Why don't you go edit some articles about issues unrelated to Israel and the Jews, for a change? Too much to ask?
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The reason why Israelis prefer "disputed" to "occupied" is well-known by anyone who has been following the issue
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statements on Talk: page and has violated some primary Knowledge rules, including (but certainly not limited to)
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statements on Talk: page and has violated some primary Knowledge rules, including (but certainly not limited to)
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raised a legitimate issue to be discussed, but instead of getting a proper reply, he was verbally attacked by
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assumes that his view is the only valid view. It is nearly impossible to communicate with him. I noticed that
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One can't really note something which has not happened; I haven't attempted to "interfere" with any process.
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is to Islam as Zionism is to Judaism" meaning that both are extremist ideologies of religious nationalism)
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I think this says more about you and your work on manipulating content in Knowledge than it does about me.
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and nominates pages for Votes for deletion in an effort to promote his Zionist POV on Knowledge pages...
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I also certify that the above is factually correct, though maybe not presented in an unbiased manner. -
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and nominates pages for Votes for deletion in an effort to promote his Zionist POV on Knowledge pages...
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I thought the vast majority of your edits on the article today were also good. Thanks for making them.
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Alberuni, as I've requested several times now, please focus on the articles themselves, rather than on
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I also certify that the above is correct. In addition to all this, it seems as though another user,
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It would be funny if it wasn't so tragic to see the hypocrisy and self-serving mendacity of Zionists
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extremism POV (but goes ballistic if anyone sees things differently, see his antagonism to Israeli
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Well, you are quite the one to talk about hypocrisy in this. Are you saying that what Jayjg did in
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lengths. For instance he felt compelled to edit an article I created about a simple land measure
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he thinks his virulent Zionist POV is God's truth and objectivity is a threat to the Jewish state
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Agreed with the above. As of now, User:Alberuni has been at Knowledge about ONE MONTH (in this "
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Which of "my supporters" do you feel were involved in the same disputes with Alberuni and why?
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I certify the basis of this dispute. I first became aware of the personal attacks made by
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If your concern is impartiality, how come you are not challenging any of your supporters
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This appears to be one of those "Live by the sword, die by the sword" situations. While
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Interacting with you is far and away the worst part of my Knowledge experience to date.
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OK Jayjg, tell me again that you are not stalking my edits to promote your Zionist POV.
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the author of the "Outside view", even moreso, since as far as I can tell that is the
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has created HistoryBuffEr as a "sockpuppet", to create a false impression of support.
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signed comments and talk not related to a vote or endorsement, should be directed to
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There is little point in discussing issues with a dishonest pro-Israeli propagandist.
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deeming it "propaganda"). See his contributions in edit summaries and histories for
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Do you consider your continuous hasbara campaign to be in Knowledge's best interest?
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Do you consider B'Tselem partisan? Amnesty International? Human Rights Watch? Yet,
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just before Jayjg listed it for deletion. I regret that error. I also admit that
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http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Jew&diff=6804184&oldid=6803813
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Perhaps you should start RfC's against everyone who criticizes your behavior.
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This article disagrees with your interpretations of international law Jayjg:
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Osama bin Laden Fatwa: Text of Fatwa Urging Jihad Against Americans - 1998
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Of course, that's the official hasbara line from Tel Aviv central office
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Do you ever look in the mirror and question why you are the way you are?
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several times to several users of stalking him, particularly on the
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Seems clear that at least some of those quotes overstep the bounds.
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What kind of organism perceives human rights to be a partisan issue?
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is certainly outspoken (to put it mildly), there is no doubt that
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ever did so, and had even been doing so earlier in the day before
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Is this the way Knowledge administrators are suppose to behave?
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should cease his incessant unexplained and unjustified reverts.
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At least you are honest about your pro-Israel Knowledge editing
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You can see that Jayjg is stalking my edits on multiple pages,
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instead of giving a strsight answer to his questions. After
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regarding Israel's assassination yesterday and Hamas goals.
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Jayjg has pursued an abusive approach of stalking my edits
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a way as possible. If this doesn't work, you can request
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without even bothering to discuss it on the Talk page...
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loses points for complaining about fights he provoked.
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to see what's the riot is all about and I understood.
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descends and acts as if he owns the page. I fear that
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Are you able to keep up with this confusing comment?
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then this destructive process will only accelerate.
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While 512:procedures and have started instituting them. 2286:Can a voter endorse two different summaries? 1700:-based Palestinian human rights organization 781:-based Palestinian human rights organization 8: 967:(OPT)" so I created a page to reference it. 524:. Yet, Knowledge hosts long diatribes about 506:previously noticed his abusive behavior too. 431:Is there any use discussing issues with you? 116:of re-directing articles which he was aware 2294:Yes, if the voter feels both are accurate. 1344:Users certifying the basis for this dispute 914:did not do so, as the edit history shows: 708:Alberuni continues to violate the policies 35:be deleted. The current date and time is: 392:What makes you think you own these pages? 1144:defending it as appropriate conduct. -- 735:and this has apparently infuriated Jayjg 1780:slaps many and slaps often. Worse yet, 1461:has issued a threat against Knowledge: 1332:Knowledge:Requests_for_comment/Alberuni 894:Making False claims: Re-directing pages 469:Stalking my edits again like a vulture? 624:even to your Talk page. He redirected 443:not even for your beloved Jewish state 1764:well deserves most of the criticism. 1418:Talk:Al Mezan Center for Human Rights 1409:Users agreeing with the above summary 1073:Making False claims: Holocaust denial 773:- and his edit was even inaccurate! 530:Occupation of the Gaza Strip by Egypt 7: 1454:VfD/Occupied Palestinian Territories 1376:certify the basis for this dispute. 910:article, even after being told that 766:Jayjg's constant needling harassment 417:you are just not listening, as usual 2309:Live by the Sword, Die by the Sword 385:Please stop telling me what to do. 1792:loses points for taking the bait, 1320:Alberuni's comment on this RfC to 24: 971:, then listed it for deletion... 739:who are extremely ardent Zionists 545:Thanks for the patronizing advice 352:Now you are disagreeing yourself. 2128:Al Mezan Center for Human Rights 1702:Al Mezan Center for Human Rights 1685:Occupied Palestinian Territories 1620:usually aware of antisemitism.) 965:Occupied Palestinian Territories 951:Occupied Palestinian Territories 908:Occupied Palestinian Territories 812:Occupied Palestinian Territories 783:Al Mezan Center for Human Rights 758:Occupied Palestinian Territories 626:Occupied Palestinian Territories 606:Al-Mezan Center for Human Rights 547:. You should follow it too, OK? 493:Occupied Palestinian Territories 143:investigate abuses impartially. 1919:frustrating, to say the least. 969:Jayjg immediately redirected it 821:Alberuni's original version of 604:. See history and Talk page at 200:And so the conflict continues. 1997:Users who endorse this summary 1817:Users who endorse this summary 360:I'll just leave you two alone. 37:02:19, 30 September 2024 (UTC) 28:Knowledge:Requests for comment 18:Knowledge:Requests for comment 1: 2244:Knowledge:No personal attacks 2074:can be challenged for bias). 1878:Knowledge:No personal attacks 1604:FBI ten most wanted fugitives 1497:08:57, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)(UTC) 1259:Knowledge:No personal attacks 1170:Knowledge:No personal attacks 982:Making False claims: Stalking 714:Knowledge:No personal attacks 129:Evidence of disputed behavior 102:Knowledge:No personal attacks 75:Knowledge:No personal attacks 26:In order to remain listed at 1888:, and in a much worse way.- 1296:Knowledge:Dispute resolution 510:Knowledge:Dispute Resolution 497:The reason he is hounding me 2304:] 23:13, Oct 14, 2004 (UTC) 2252:Knowledge:Assume good faith 2214:] 16:50, Oct 14, 2004 (UTC) 2012:this page's discussion page 1954:Excellent, spot-on summary. 1886:Knowledge:Assume good faith 1394:] 16:50, Oct 14, 2004 (UTC) 1267:Knowledge:Assume good faith 1239:] 20:24, Oct 12, 2004 (UTC) 1180:Knowledge:Assume good faith 722:Knowledge:Assume good faith 236:Maybe you need a long rest? 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