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has already been confirmed by more than half a dozen CheckUsers and all of ArbCom. It is obvious that CheckUser has therefore shown a high degree of likelihood repeatedly (high enough that ArbCom undertook it's first summary ban of an admin ever, so it was not done lightly). If you would like to appeal that, go to ArbCom, not here.
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You're not making any sense; my comment was clearly referring to your "it's not so silly after all" statement. You are free to treat this like a debate and be cryptic about what comment of FT2s you are talking about, but I very much doubt that he said that anyone had ever proven "there is absolutely
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I said that asking for a CheckUser who only has access to information from server logs, not DNA tests to tell you "there is absolutely no possibility that any of these users could be a different person from any of the others" is silly. Your response seems to be implying I said something I didn't.
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You said that "there is absolutely no possibility that any of these users could be a different person from any of the others." is a silly thing to ask for - yet that silly thing is PRECISELY what FT2 has already stated, I was simply asking for independent confirmation of that claim.
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