196:, I remain calm and avoid replying in kind. In general, when I see problem behavior, I respond with a "Please don't" message on the user's talk page, both to try to correct the unwanted behavior and to leave a record of the warning, so that the next editor to deal with the problem user can see that there has been previous discussion. And it helps to remember that disagreements at Knowledge are in general less important than a lot of other problems the world faces.
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that his/her sole interest in admin tools is to further his/her position in that task. That boils down to a request to receive +4 bonus points to further the editor's agenda. Unless this changes and TT branches out into other spheres of
Knowledge (vandal fighting anyone?) I don't see how three months of editing will change my verdict. While I see a lot of good faith in the editor, I also see a rather astounding lack of introspection. (How can you possibly
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TruthbringerToronto is performing a valuable function in having the courage and initiative to present a different angle, though I do agree that this needs to be adjusted in line with established protocols. His responses show unorthodox intelligence, not stupidity, but also at the moment a lack of appreciation of the wiles of wiki, such as his good faith in accepting a nom from an inappropriate editor.
1385:- leaning towards support. His answers to the question above shows a small interest in using admin powers. On top of this, his experience to this project is relatively short (3 months). However, the user is a very good editor and I may support this candidate if more convincing reasons are being presented here in favour of this candidate. --
579:. Shows a willingness to assist in bringing articles up to meet consensus of notability and non-stubbirooniness, etc. which I greatly appreciate in contrast to editors who are quick to AfD and speedy stubs. We need more editors like this one. His adminship will assist in combating the evil dark lords of deletiopilis.
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Stubbleboy's diff here reminds me of something I didn't mention in in my comment, TruthbringerToronto often uses misleading edit summaries. Like the one in that diff says add the newspaper link but really the link is just one of maybe a dozen changes being made. I've also seen (and I'll try to
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We have already had too many admins who either did not understand or chose not to follow our policies and guidelines. The havoc they created and the turmoil of their de-sysopping was detrimental to
Knowledge. We do not need any more. With his zeal and lack of understanding, TruthbringerToronto will
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1343:- leaning on support, but to be honest just a little tentative due to TruthbringerToronto's fairly short time here (3 months). Also salvaging articles does not actually require any additional tools. May change vote upon further comments or answers to additional questions. Thanks -
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that need attention. That might be a better place for his efforts than CSD and AfD that bit the dust. His intentions seem to be good but misguided. He needs to better understand our policies and guidelines. Once he has done that, then he can use the tools
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because I am extremely impressed with this candidate, and in order to make full use of his intelligence and independence of thought, he will need to have a thorough grounding in wikipedia's ways, which he should spend the next 3 months doing.
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210:) Sorry, your answer to Question 1 is a bit vague. Do you specifically intend to close AfDs or other deletion discussions? If so, do you have any thoughts on how you'll approach it?
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candidate, while I admire his dedication to inclusionism, simply has not been around as long as I would like to see an candidate also could consider branching out.--
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Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve
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Kicking, to name four.
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1211:: Lifespan here is too short (3½ months). Try again next year. --Slgr
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565:Well, hopefully we all are. Cheers,
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