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verifiable references to support this alternative POV, just opinion and speculation. Many other contributors have provided references that Latvia was indeed occupied, including mainstream encyclopedias such as Britannica and Encarta. The article is not an arbitrary collection of loosely related events, but a tightly related sequence of occupations that occurred during WW2, in any case this point is not a POV-title issue but one of editorial style. Only one section is claimed to be OR not the whole article, so a section level OR tag is more appropriate. The article level tags are usually placed with no explanation or without sufficient explanation and certainly no verifiable references to an alternative POV are given. Some members have admitted their preference to AfD the article, but given difficulty in this approach, have resorted to vandalising the article via POV-title tagging. The article is a mess because of this continuing ongoing focus upon the title, which is probably the intent of this POV-title tagging, to stall progress in developing this article.
888:. I have already responded at length to Irpen's objections regarding the structure being a mess, I have clearly stated it is still a work in progress that has only thoroughly dealt with the first year of Soviet occupation. (There has also been discussion, since there is an article on the Nazi Occupation, that this would be devoted to the Soviet occupation alone for improved clarity.) I have also apologized for having to put in "why an occupation" because of all those who insist "occupation" is a POV term while providing not one single shred of evidence to support that position. I have posted requests on all three Baltic States discussion pages (where this sort of dispute has also occurred) inviting ANYONE with ANY evidence to the contrary that has ANY basis in fact to present it for discussion. There has been ZERO response. 892:
international community except by Russia, whose declaration by Russia's Duma I have cited. There is no other discussion of the alternate viewpoint, which, though I personally vehemently disagree with, would actually be quite informative: that is, why is it exactly that Russia denies the Soviet occupation? Especially when Lavrov was negotiating during the Soviet era with the Baltic S.S.R.s for the Soviet Union to declare its presence in the Baltics an occupation? (Sadly, original research based on sources directly involved--and which I have NOT included.) And why is there no other discussion? Not because the article is a POV Great Patriotic War denier, it's because there's simply no further insight to be had, not even in my "Concise Encyclopedia of the Latvian S.S.R." So, what is the article specifically
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were conscripted into the Waffen SS (or joined simply to fight against the Soviets)--remember this was after the mass deportations executed by the Soviets. Your calling honoring/remembering Waffen SS as Nazi rehabilitation is simply misinformed. (The Eastern European Waffen SS were exonerated in the post-WWII trials.) As I indicated the article is in progress (and there is a Nazi occupation page--this article may be better off dealing with just the Soviet occupation). And about the Holocaust... my father-in-law was sent to warn their (Jewish) family friend to warn her... a teenager picking his way through fields of bodies reaching her house only to find her
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as defined on Knowledge (XXG) contemplates inclusion of all significant perspectives that have been published by a reliable source. While majority perspectives may be favored by more detailed coverage, minority perspectives should also receive sufficient coverage. No perspective is to be presented as
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Where have I denied the Holocaust? Come now! Is Mr. Krohn saying that there cannot be an accounting of those deported to their deaths by the Soviet Union? In an action already planned before the U.S.S.R. invaded the Baltics? And the Museum of the Occupation of Latvia is "POV"? What matters is what is
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of Latvia's ethnic Russians are citizens. Hardly an ethnocracy. When Russian journalists abroad held their world convention in Latvia some years back, planning to expose Latvia's anti-Russian human rights "crimes," even representatives of the Duma confessed things were not as they had been portrayed.
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Can't find pre-1991 sources? None of those "first three" references are mine. The congressional resport is from long before 1991, I'll be glad to add as many sources through the entire period as you would like that call it an occupation. Abot the Waffen SS, Latvians (and Eastern Europeans) in general
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If arbcom is to insert itself into this purely content dispute, its attention to the matter would be welcome, at least from me. Suggestions and objections at the talk are given in detail and arbcom members are invited to join the discussion. Maybe it's time for arbcom to change its traditional stance
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6) Where user conduct issues seem to revolve around a single articles, and where there are a large number of editors involved, and those editors are not disruptive otherwise, it may make more sense to put the article itself on probation rather than individual editors. Administrators are empowered to
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as distasteful as I find it, I have taken care to cite the Russian dissenting position clearly at the outset; the only reasonable official position--the declaration of the Russian Duma--is provided; and I have even refrained from making any POV observation that the Duma has not provided any evidence
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and the rfcs agree that title is NPOV. Exhaustive discussion has been made on talk page regarding the term "occupation". There seems to be a core group of three individuals who seem to be immune to all evidence and third opinion and seem intent on persuing a dogmatic position. Application of article
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4) Articles should contain only material that has been published by reliable sources. Editors adding new material should cite a reliable source, or it may be challenged or removed by any editor. The obligation to provide a reliable source lies with the editors wishing to include the material, not
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on this article, and have been accusing everyone who did not agree with him as "vandal" (see history) and dismissing their arguments as "Soviet propaganda". Obviously, asking him to read the corresponding policies would have been of little effect. He is trying to present his own opinion (since he's
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of the Hague Conventions on the rules of war, for example) to be included to shed light on the Russian position; instead, all that is heard is abject consternation that the word "occupation" is an insult to Russia, etc. etc., the Russians saved Latvia from Hitler, etc. etc.--conveniently forgetting
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I agree, that the article itself is becoming a mess: due to the dispute, whether the occupation took place or not, the article has been filled with proofs, why the events were recognised as occupation by most of the word. Once we have formally admitted the stance of Western mainstream sources (i.e
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The only attempt to compare or equate evils is being made by those who wish to push their POV that Latvia is a Russophobic anti-Semitic Nazi-rehabilitating super-ethno-nationalist neo-fascist state. I find the suggestion that I am pushing Holocaust revisionism utterly offensive, both on moral and
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were there any reputable evidence for the Russian official position, it would be presented--it is their position after all and it's important to understand even if it is in a minority of one; however, I have not located any such evidence; neither has anyone responded to my open invitation for any
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The Occupation of Latvia lasted from the first Soviet occupation through the entire Soviet era. The Soviet presences in Latvia were an occupation for their entire duration until the reestablishment of the Latvian Republic continuous with that established in 1918. This position is accepted by the
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I repeat my request: anyone who has any reputable evidence to the contrary that the Soviet Union did not "occupy" Latvia, please present it. That does not change, however, that the Soviet presence in Latvia was illegal, that Latvia neither legally nor voluntarily "joined" the Soviet Union, that
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Some members are committing tag abuse to vandalise the article because in their personal opinion the title is purposefully inflammatory. By tagging the title POV they are effectively pushing their own POV that occupation did not occur and are giving undue weight to their own POV. They offer no
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2.1) The article at the locus of this dispute is placed on probation. Any editor may be banned from it, or from other reasonably related pages, by an uninvolved administrator for disruptive edits, including, but not limited to, edit warring, incivilty, and original research. The Arbitration
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I am completely mystified by Petri Krohn's statement. Latvia did not join the U.S.S.R. voluntarily, that was the action of a puppet government "elected" where the results of the "election" were announced in Moscow before the election ended. (Virtually) none of the world's governments saw the
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or perhaps there is some other political agenda at play and this article is merely their battleground to sock it to those "nazi balts", who knows, but it is rather offensive, given tragic history Churchill characterised as that deadly comb that ran back, forth and back again over the Baltics
1285:- Why are the ā€plenty of sourcesā€ NOT CITED by any of my opponents? In fact, the statement by Petri is minority POV, of a tiny minority I'd say. Today, no serious source calls the Soviet takeover, forged elections and annexation as voluntary accession to the USSR. Petri's view suits the 1743:
article; these have been the subject of extensive and heated debate, which has failed to produce an outcome acceptable to all of the editors involved. Among other issues, the debate has focused around two related questions: whether the Soviet presence in Latvia was an occupation, and
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edit wars waged by 2 or 3 Baltic nationalists to push their agenda on Knowledge (XXG). Anyone who follows political news from this region closely (or even remotely) knows that there is currently a heavy return to nationalism in these three countries, bordering sometimes on Nazism and
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This RfA and the edit war that promted it does not seem to be about the content of the article. It is about about the POV-tags; the right of opponents of the content or name to tag the article. So far I have not contributed to the article. I have only reverted the deletion of the
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if Irpen wishes, I can footnote every last sentence from said reputable sources, his claim that the article is original research is completely, totally, and utterly baseless; sadly, the nature of the overall debate is that even when in I have quoted the Congressional Record of
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The dispute here is not about whether Soviet rule in Latvia was occupation or not, but the arbitrary grouping and merging of different rules under one title of "occupation". This is a propaganda/POV pushing trick. What the creators of the article have done is like merging
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into the Soviet Union as legal. After 1991 this has become one of the most contested issues in international politics and modern history. Whichever of these views is more correct, the issue requires a balanced coverage in a dedicated article with a neutral point of view.
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There are plenty of sources that show to that Latvia was occupied by the Soviet Union in 1940. There are also sources that show that Latvia and Latvians voluntarily joined the Soviet Union in 1940. Until 1991 most of the worlds governments saw the incorporation of the
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level POV tags is meant to be constructive, however in this particular case it is being used destructively because the one applying the tag has indicated a preference that the article be deleted entirely, so I don't think they are approaching this issue in good faith.
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about the only one to contribute on the talk page) as "consensus" and apparently does not understand that while some sort of consensus is not reached, the tag has to stay as a warning for a casual reader. And by the way, content disputes are in no way vandalism.
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is prohibited. This includes a new synthesis of published material serving to advance a position; an argument is permissible only if a reliable source has published this argument in relation to the specific topic of the article.
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per Dmcdevit and reading the actual article and talk history - this complaint doesn't go into it, but it doesn't look acceptable to me. We don't have to stick within the lines drawn by the complaint, if we don't want to.
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incorporation of the Baltic States in the Soviet Union as "legal." I don't know whether Mr. Krohn is grossly misinformed or simply lying. A "contested issue"? Only by those pushing the neo-Soviet POV, I'm afraid.
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I also object to the article on moral grounds. The article tries to equate the actions of the Soviet Union (and Soviet citizens in the Baltic Republics) with those of Nazi Germany. I see this as a form of
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I do not think there is a place for an article in Knowledge (XXG) under the present title. In its present form it only serves as a tool for ethnic POV-pushing and associated hate speech. At best it is a
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Decline. If there is a conduct issue, the disputants may bring a case addressing it alone if they wish. Otherwise, the matter as presently framed is primarily a content dispute outside our remit.
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Anyone who follows political news from this region closely (or even remotely) knows that there is currently a heavy return to nationalism in these three countries, bordering sometimes on Nazism and
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There are plenty of sources that show to that Latvia was occupied by the Soviet Union in 1940. There are also sources that show that Latvia and Latvians voluntarily joined the Soviet Union in 1940
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groundless accusations of tendentious editing to minimise Nazi crimes but goes even further and the accuses contributors to the article of being Baltic nationalists pushing the agenda of
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1) If the article is not substantially improved by continued editing the Arbitration Committee may impose editing restrictions on users whose editing is counterproductive or disruptive.
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I do not think there is a place for an article in Knowledge (XXG) under the present title. In its present form it only serves as a tool for ethnic POV-pushing and associated hate speech.
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that qualifies as my personally stated viewpoint or as original research or, indeed, any kind of personally drawn conclusion whatsoever; I have been completely scrupulous in this regard
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Log any block, ban or extension under any remedy in this decision here. Minimum information includes name of administrator, date and time, what was done and the basis for doing it.
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2) A number of partiesā€”including Advocatus diaboli, Constanz, Ghirlandajo, Grafikm_fr, Petri Krohn, Lysy, Irpen, and Martintgā€”have engaged in a revert war over the presence of the
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on refusal get into the content disputes. If so, I have a dozen of much more important irreconcilable articles and I will be happy to bring them to the ArbCom's attention. --
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and the right of the newly independent Baltic States to deprive citizenship from their ex-soviet citizens. The view expressed in this article is the one promoted by the
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Note: All remedies that refer to a period of time, for example to a ban of X months or a revert parole of Y months, are to run concurrently unless otherwise stated.
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is proof enough that there is more than a content dispute here. Accept to look at conduct problems like edit warring and incivility (accusations of vandalism).
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Decline. Still essentially a content dispute, if a heated one; I'd prefer it if there was some evidence of a failed attempt at mediation before hearing this.
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whether the events described in the article can be referred to as ā€œSoviet occupationā€ and whether the article conforms to Knowledge (XXG) policies
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3) The parties are strongly encouraged to enter into a mediation arrangement regarding any article content issues that may still be outstanding.
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Finally, I would like to point out that any attempt by me, Irpen, or other users like User:Grant65, were boycotted by Constanz and Martintg. --
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Again, I invite Mr. Krohn and anyone else to actually produce the sources they speak of that support their assertions Latvia was not occupied.
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Committee reserves the right to appoint one or more mentors at any time, and the right to review the situation in one year, if appropriate.
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in their dealings with other users. Insulting and intimidating other users harms the community by creating a hostile environment.
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is "inflammatory." I would submit that vehement denial and constant POV tagging of facts is the true "inflammatory" action.
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in the motive of others and fling all manner of baseless accusations and conspiracy theory hoping it will stick. We have
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1) The parties named above as having acted poorly in this dispute are admonished to avoid such behavior in the future.
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whetherā€”regardless of the answer to the first questionā€”the article's current title and scope are appropriately chosen.
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of material covered in other articles. The article should be deleted. Most of the material could be moved or merged to
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together with Nazi war crimes, under a common title of "occupation", precludes any neutral writing on the subject.
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in exile until the reestablishment of said sovereign authority on Latvian territory, all of which make it the
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claiming the article is tendentious, over emphasizing Soviet atrocities while saying nothing of Nazi crimes
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and is now, thus, POV. However, this would be original research, since once again, no sources were given.
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that Latvia was occupied), also opinion of the majority of people who have expressed their opinion on
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PS. Some users have claimed, as if this were a pure content dispute. However, one should note that a
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himself who wishes to use Knowledge (XXG) as a tool to promote his own views of Baltics (like here:
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claiming that failing to whitewash the facts of Stalinist crimes is tantamount to Holocaust denial
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When directly asked, why should the title used in Britannica be called 'POV-title' here, then e.g
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FAILED TO CITE HIS SOURCES, WHICH COULD HINT THAT LATVIA WASN'T OCCUPIED. Why is he hiding his
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It has been proved on the talk page, that mainstream Western sources regard the events as
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Accept to examine user conduct that is keeping the content dispute from being resolved.
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This is beyond a mere content dispute. The issue concerns the abuse of the spirit of
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in the process, while I am presented as a single purpose account in conspiracy with
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Instead of recognizing the sources presented by the other side (or citing the
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also serve ā€œethnic POV-pushing and associated hate speechā€? Or perhaps it's
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I wonder how successful mediation would be when one side basically doesn't
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Latvia deprive people of citizenship? I regret to inform Mr. Krohn that a
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the "truth"; all perspectives are to be attributed to their advocates.
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1) The dispute revolves around the title, scope, and content of the
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They all enjoyed their outing in JÅ«rmala and then left for home.
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User:Martintg is currently an obvious single purpose account (
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Absolutely! The citizenship laws passed in 1990s (labelled
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Very strong statements (even if we exclude 8: 1934:Article probation revocation (February 2022) 591:, we can start removing unnecessary proofs. 77: 1973:Passed 7 to 0 at 23:27, 9 March 2007 (UTC) 1924:Passed 8 to 0 at 23:27, 9 March 2007 (UTC) 1900:Passed 7 to 1 at 23:27, 9 March 2007 (UTC) 1878:The following discussion has been closed. 1866: 1858:Passed 8 to 0 at 23:27, 9 March 2007 (UTC) 1833:Passed 8 to 0 at 23:27, 9 March 2007 (UTC) 1781:Passed 8 to 0 at 23:27, 9 March 2007 (UTC) 1748:Passed 8 to 0 at 23:27, 9 March 2007 (UTC) 1725:Passed 7 to 1 at 23:27, 9 March 2007 (UTC) 1711:Passed 8 to 0 at 23:27, 9 March 2007 (UTC) 1693:Passed 8 to 0 at 23:27, 9 March 2007 (UTC) 1679:Passed 8 to 0 at 23:27, 9 March 2007 (UTC) 1661:Passed 8 to 0 at 23:27, 9 March 2007 (UTC) 1640:Passed 8 to 0 at 23:27, 9 March 2007 (UTC) 901:all the sources for the article are listed 673:compared the article's guardians' approach 547:All this hardly qualifies as "occupation"ā€ 62:. Evidence is more useful than comments. 1945:case ("Article probation") is rescinded. 1649:2) Knowledge (XXG) users are expected to 594:In view of this, ArbCom is asked to rule 1938: 18:Knowledge (XXG):Requests for arbitration 1092:very characteristic to the dispute on 564:irrelevant to the subject, or express 541:: Baltic states are said to have been 1339:'s other contributions on the topic: 1055:This article is a perfect example of 982:This article is a perfect example of 560:), occupation deniers sometimes link 69:and voting on proposed decisions at 7: 1310:The heart of the matter here is the 1211:The heart of the matter here is the 1187:Occupation of Latvia by Nazi Germany 834:as the real cause, accusations of ā€œ 1538:Accept to look at editor conduct. 1221:Museum of the Occupation of Latvia 1180:Museum of the Occupation of Latvia 824:rather liberal in European context 24: 1689:with those seeking to remove it. 1235:. It denies the unique nature if 1191:Latvian Soviet Socialist Republic 1150:Latvian Soviet Socialist Republic 905:absolutely nothing in the article 842:: a ā€œBaltic gangā€ is said to be ā€œ 581:ā€œwas crafted during the Cold Warā€ 508:Baltic states joined USSR in 1940 467:When I first saw the dispute on 1954:on 02:05, 3 February 2022 (UTC) 1910:on 02:05, 3 February 2022 (UTC) 1632:1) All editors are expected to 854:was also severy criticised (on 570:modern form of Holocaust denial 49:on 02:05, 3 February 2022 (UTC) 30:on 01:18, 3 February 2007 (UTC) 1741:Occupation of Latvia 1940-1945 1195:Occupation of Baltic Republics 562:Russia's propaganda statements 390:Occupation of Latvia 1940-1945 1: 1453:23:16, 29 January 2007 (UTC) 1209:And now to my personal views: 442:Knowledge (XXG):Third opinion 1651:behave reasonably and calmly 1598:22:19, 1 February 2007 (UTC) 1586:21:43, 29 January 2007 (UTC) 1577:05:04, 29 January 2007 (UTC) 1561:16:22, 28 January 2007 (UTC) 1552:17:42, 27 January 2007 (UTC) 1543:11:54, 27 January 2007 (UTC) 1534:05:09, 27 January 2007 (UTC) 1511:04:45, 27 January 2007 (UTC) 1498:02:28, 27 January 2007 (UTC) 1479:01:16, 27 January 2007 (UTC) 1462:01:04, 27 January 2007 (UTC) 1440:20:39, 26 January 2007 (UTC) 1421:19:11, 26 January 2007 (UTC) 1394:01:55, 1 February 2007 (UTC) 1356:08:56, 31 January 2007 (UTC) 1277:03:26, 31 January 2007 (UTC) 1244:02:48, 31 January 2007 (UTC) 1148:Grouping the actions of the 1126:12:12, 29 January 2007 (UTC) 1043:04:02, 29 January 2007 (UTC) 1025:18:05, 28 January 2007 (UTC) 970:07:13, 27 January 2007 (UTC) 871:09:08, 31 January 2007 (UTC) 818:03:56, 31 January 2007 (UTC) 790:11:01, 29 January 2007 (UTC) 721:23:49, 26 January 2007 (UTC) 703:21:08, 26 January 2007 (UTC) 688:14:43, 26 January 2007 (UTC) 653:09:30, 27 January 2007 (UTC) 607:10:32, 26 January 2007 (UTC) 38:on 23:27, 9 March 2007 (UTC) 1604:Temporary injunction (none) 579:claims the term occupation 549:, also interpretation with 537:, but have performed their 1999: 1684:Verifiability and sourcing 1413:Decline. Content dispute. 1377:proven by Soviet documents 1287:Great Soviet Encyclopedia 1881:Please do not modify it. 1267:Totally-disputed-section 925:personal interpretations 848:ethnofascist POV pushers 1965:Continuing jurisdiction 1614:All numbering based on 1455:Reject. What they said. 919:to support its position 840:personal points of view 78:#Log of blocks and bans 1978:Log of blocks and bans 1811:), Advocatus diaboli ( 1522:Matthew Brown (Morven) 1428:Matthew Brown (Morven) 1069:has been twice as many 830:) are brought here by 766:in his statement below 1777:tags on the article. 1672:Neutral point of view 1666:Neutral point of view 1657:are not acceptable. 1468:the article's history 1403:Preliminary decisions 1316:denaturalization laws 1233:Holocaust revisionism 1217:denaturalization laws 1197:(another POV title), 1033:beheaded by the Nazis 881:Statement by Vecrumba 693:Statement by Martintg 463:Statement by Constanz 1943:Occupation of Latvia 1823:), and Petri Krohn ( 1565:Decline per Kirill. 1466:Accept. A glance at 1109:And once again, the 1104:Graf's recent edits' 996:blocked once for 3RR 931:as I have indicated 644:(e.g majority POV)? 521:and similar sources 436:Requests for comment 1227:. I tend to agree. 1071:of their opponents. 935:, the article is a 558:alternative sources 551:some factual errors 543:members of the USSR 76:You may add to the 1950:Passed 11 to 0 by 1850:Parties admonished 1616:/Proposed decision 1390:Pēters J. Vecrumba 1106:relation to Irpen. 1090:straw man argument 1057:tenditious editing 1039:Pēters J. Vecrumba 984:tenditious editing 966:Pēters J. Vecrumba 896:-compliant about? 856:his Wiki talk page 805:is also shared by 658:Statement by Irpen 618:verifiable sources 485:verifiable sources 473:admin noticeboards 71:/Proposed decision 1897: 1896: 1863:Article probation 1846: 1716:Article probation 1704:Original research 1698:Original research 1628:Assume good faith 1496: 1383:personal grounds. 1084:' prove that the 850:ā€. 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Knowledge (XXG):Requests for arbitration#Requests for clarification
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Vecrumba
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