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Taiwanese only. For Yu, it is actually sourced. I saw it on the news. I dont go randomly make up stuff. I think you are unclear about the whole
Republic of China articles/stuff. So stop trying to stop those who know from contributing. And stop making false accusations and lies. You really hurt my feelings. You should go discuss instead of insulting and attacking and hurting me.
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others for vandalism should not be done lightly. In all seriousness, Ting's insistence Taiwan be refered to as "ROC on Taiwan" is just bad
English and does nothing to help clarify the confusion over the term "Republic of China". So to accuse others of vandalism because he doesn't agree with the edits
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Stop making random assertions and assumptions. So much for good faith. I have no opinion on Hsiao or Yu. Stop saying that I hate him, because that is a lie. A lie is made by a liar. And you made the lie. Someone needs to point out that Hsiao is of mixed ethnicity but the DPP doctrine supports Native
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Equally he seems to believe that everyone who wants to use "Taiwan" or "ROC (Taiwan)" is a "Pan Green" supporter - i.e. of the pro-independence parties in Taiwan. I cannot speak for the other editors, but I'm not even
Taiwanese. Labelling people who disagree with him like that really demonstrates he
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Although I'm uninvolved, I have read the statements and stuff, and I find it very unusual that all TingMing has done in this evidence page is deride his opponents' statements as a lie, readd the same rebuttal, and basically not provide any conclusive evidence in the form of diffs. He has not even
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Notice the common editing patterns, disregard for consensus, and incivility towards other editors. Nationalist has in the past attempted to thwart CheckUser attempts by utilizing different IP blocks, possibly via various anonymizers or proxies. Later socks have been quick to call for CheckUser
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Stop twisting this RFCU in your own favor. Thus far, I have not been a confirmed sock puppet of
Nationalist. Do not put me on the same level as him. Do not treat me badly. I am not Nationalist, I swear. Why hasn't anyone else performed another Check user then? To Clear my NAME. By the way,
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While I, too, have only been involved with TingMing for a short while, I have also found him to be a most unpleasant person. Not only does he engage in edit-warring with other editors, so as to push his personal POV, he does not engage in any meaningful dialogue to come to a consensus on
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NPOV as possible through constructive discussions, not through decisive debates for the winner. It is apparent that TingMing has no intentions to look at the matter on other people's angles, and thus diminishes the possibility for an actual consensus.
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to reflect his own opinions of her, her ancestry, and other unsourced rumor. Not only are his additions irrelevant to the article, they're also a personal attack on a figure he doesn't seem to like. Another example of his putting
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I have been involved with TingMing only a short time, but I immediately found him unpleasant. I will not repeat the more detailed statements above, but he refuses to accept others may have a valid viewpoint. Also
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quite ridiculous. He is using the flimsy excuse of another website refering to it in a certain way, when the bank itself now calls it that. Again, flying in the face of all evidence is unreasonable.
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Nationalist uses another
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edit he has made is political. I'm sure that there might be three or four exceptions but this is serious. There are two main types of political edits TingMing makes:
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Please do not twist this to your own liking. Check user determined that I am of a different ISP, not the same as Nationalist or any one of his sock puppets.
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