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typical for
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2398:, OK, I'm unclear on what you intended. Did you want to pro-forma file DubPics and Jorge1777 under ATL, even though they're already blocked, just to get them recorded there? I was going off LSGH's statement, ' We could then be able to trace a more definite connection between Ismail and Apollo The Logician', thinking that's what you wanted to follow up on. --
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Whether that claim is true or not, there should still be any kind of connection between the two of them. The repeated denial of such could actually imply that the opposite is true. If there really is no connection, then why would Ismail be so involved in the talk page and trying to defend Furr? Also,
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There is a high chance that they are the same person, Grover Furr, or they could have off-wiki connections with each other. The one-hour interval between their edits at that article raises some eyebrows. Ismail could have been trying to show an illusion of support by repeatedly promoting the works of
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Indeed, their views are exactly the same. Apollo The
Logician said above those are views of Marxists. No, this is absolutely not the case (I came from the country of Marxists where they forced everyone to learn it in the Soviet version). One could say that the total denial of any crimes by Stalin is
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I see. You mean to say, he was denying their classification as crimes, or the very fact that they ever happened? If such a view is not shared by as much as the
Stalinists, and is defended by very few people here on enwiki, then the chances of paid or otherwise influenced editing is much higher. We
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He's a professor, naturally enough any historical endeavors he engages in are going to be done in his spare time, not while he's in a classroom or busy grading reports or whatever. The bigger point is that his article was published in an academic journal, and you are objecting to the inclusion of
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Given that both accounts are located in the same geographic area (as CU said), the Sq178pv pattern is consistent with someone editing in the strictly limited hours, i.e. from work, while the second distribution (across the entire 24 hours) means that either someone is editing from home and has a
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I'm the so called floating IP editor and I've nothing to do with any of the accounts listed here. Im seeing accusations but no elaboration of supposed evidence. You'll need to be clearer if Im able to address any of this. You say I'm revenge reverting you, this is innacurate. I'm reverting you
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Ismail's editing pattern is somewhat questionable, since he has only a few thousand edits. Users who fill up all possible circles there usually have much more edits and have been active for much longer. Perhaps another CU could check from which IP addresses Ismail logged in?
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and include these users in the list of suspected sockpuppets? I reverted the edits of the IP user because the content that it was trying to add was not supported by a reliable source. Then, Clack of the
Gallows reverted my edits after a few hours.
1265:) is very similar to editing by Ismail on page Grover Furr (above). This is either same person or two "colleagues" supporting each other. Note that Ismail was well aware of editing by Sq178pv on the page D._W._Robertson_Jr.
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because you are serial edit warring by trying to bludgeon your preferred version of the article into place and deleting sourced material. Other editors have already spoken to you about this on the relevant talk pages.
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I am in contact with the subject of the article, and he has stated that he considers the putting up of both categories as slanderous and, potentially, libelous. As such I've removed them for possible BLP
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I agree, probably more CU attention is needed to look if Ismail and Sq178pv are the same person. See my "additional comments" above. At the very least, they openly act as a team. For example here
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I guess, given his repeated reverts against consensus on page Furr to restore a clearly inappropriate list. Or perhaps they are the same person, I have seen a lot of false claims around here.
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Are you saying that Beria and
Abakumov were simply Leninists, and this is not a crime? And again, the idea that "Stalin had nothing to do with the Doctors Plot" is super-"fringe"
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If, for any reason, Ismail and Sq178pv are different people, then it is possible that some of the secondary accounts actually belong to Ismail, and he is the sockmaster.
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2298:. I blocked and tagged both accounts. None of the other socks checked in this case are in his region. Would a clerk please file the ATL report since the last are stale.
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it seems they are all related, and especially taking into account that their edits were similar and made on the page about an obscure subject few people know about.
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Yes, this is great, but the question remains if other named accounts in this request are related. Even looking at the top row of the "user interaction utility"
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That means you are using multiple accounts, possibly to avoid detection and accountability. Would you please agree to use only your named account, i.e.
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has ever been prosecuted for any "crimes" committed during the Stalin era", or that "Stalin had nothing to do with the
Doctors Plot". Absurd, absurd.
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at 15:28, 31 March 2015. Ismail explains edit made by Sq178pv and speaks about him as if he knows him personally (or he is in fact the same person): "
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Multiple accounts? No that's my only account. If I'm trying to avoid detection then I'm doing a terrible job given I just said I'm that person lmao.
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Oh no, my question is directly related to the SPI. Very few people share such strange ideas as you are. For example, you said (diff above)
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1491:(గ్రోవర్ ఫర్). ప్రజాస్వామ్యవాది స్టాలిన్ / Prajaswamyawadi Stalin. [Telugu translation of Stalin and the Struggle for Democratic Reform
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and do not use multiple IP addresses? Another question: do you have other named accounts, in addition to Clack of the
Gallows?
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Is being a
Leninist a crime? Anyway Beria was arrested on false pretenses and Stalin had nothing to do with the Doctors Plot.
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problem. Note that the Grover Furr is barely notable (that page was nominated for AfD), few people know about him.
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that article for no apparent reason other than because you don't seem to agree with Furr's views"
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could then be able to trace a more definite connection between Ismail and Apollo The
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1488:(குரோவர் ஃபர்). ஸ்டாலின் பற்றிய குருச்சேவின் பொய்கள் / Sṭāliṉ paṟṟiya kuruccēviṉ poykaḷ .
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being filed under ATL for the record. My comments were six days before LSGH's statement.
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Furr. That is a clear sign of COI, and yet at least one other user has ruled it out.
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1485:苏共二十大。“秘密报告” 与 赫鲁晓夫的谎言 (Su-Gong Ershi Da: "Mimi Baogao" yu Heluxiaofu de huangyan).
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in a few hours reverted back by Sq178pv, 16:47, 30 March 2015
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who is already blocked by CU, this is apparently a case of
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and so on. This is something only Furr himself could know.
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2168:Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments
1394:, so maybe Guto2003 is a sock of Jacob Peters.
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1771:I am indeed Clack of the Gallows. Who cares?
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