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has become a viable community with a number of editors who consistently work in this area – all the stubs and most of the cats being discussed here are clearly marked as being part of the project – why would no one think to contact the project for input? It just doesn’t make any sense. I’m not trying
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This does not make them all identical, but it does make them consistent. We won't be able to name them all identical without offending one group(labor) or the other(trade). Previously there was opinion to avoid the word "union", but I believe it is clear enough to not be misunderstood. However, I'm
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as part of this nomination, which might explain why B&C only "discovered this by accident". Given the earlier noms, there would appear to be no basis to believe this would be in the realm of the straightforward and uncontroversial. I'm certainly not going to "action" this one this basis: I
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I agree with starting with a new proposal, I would support the 2 ideas presented very neatly to us on Sept 8 or Sept 10 but it should be proposed for a full 7 days. I simply did not know other countries used the word Labour and that would become the problem over how to spell a word on stubs.
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to imply bad faith, I’m just frustrated that I only discover this conversation (which is more complicated than it appears) by accident. I would think that involving related communities would help the process, or at the least reduce misunderstandings down the road…
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this new suggestion. Just because one country uses the term "labor organization" doesn't mean that it is a standard term worldwide. Most
English-speaking countries do not have the word "labor" - they have the term "labour".
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of the opposite opinion when using the word "Worker". :) Worker is a political word in the labour world, and using it may well lead to other disagreements, from political points of view, as well as class points of view.--
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