523:, which clearly describes the situation you find yourself in and explains how to get out of it. It even has a flowchart. If what you are doing isn't working, try following the clearly described process. In particular, if your change is reverted, you are supposed to discuss your changes on the talk page. Your previous attempt at "discussion" was disasterous, because you insisted on trying to discuss all your changes at one. The linear format of the talk page dictates that this leads to confusion. Pick one proposed change, discuss it, achieve consensus, then lather, rinse and repeat. I'm sorry that you don't "get" that I am trying help you, and that you persist in using means that don't work on Knowledge (XXG), and that you project opposition where you are simply using the wrong methods. That formula doesn't lead anywhere. I've been here long enough to see it repeated over and over. The problem is not with the "other editors". It's with your behaviour. It's not adaptive to the environment, and you and not listening to others trying to explain this.
972:
misrepresentation of the subject both in talk page comments, misuse of references and POV editing, is very likely to polarise the involved editors into a "them and us" situation. I have always welcomed outside input into the article from neutral editors and used Rfcs to establish consensus on key issues. If the editors suspected in this report were actually dealing with civil, neutral editors acting in good faith would we really still look like meatpuppets?
577:
last
December and so any necessary check-users have already been performed. I know that you know who I am and who Riveros11 is and you also know that we are different people who live on different continents. What we both have in common is that we have suffered a flagrant disregard for our privacy
339:
being exhibited by not just active members of the religious movement but even dedicated organizational IT PR Team members. Over the last few days, I attempted to add a number of citations, quotations to citation and make neutral typographic and tagging correction only for them to be identically
971:
I would also like to bring to attention that the constant taunts that editors identified as BKs are subjected to by AWatchowski, Lwatchowski, Green108, 244 and the various sockpuppets that appeared between Jan07 and Green108's return, the constant highlighting of their affiliation and gross
584:
Since some editors are BKs, it is possible that one or more of us have logged on from a computer at the various main centres in London or
Madhuban on rare occations. However I always try and avoid this and use either my home PC or work PC that both have fixed IP addresses.
542:, the description above seems much closer to a description of your own conduct than anyone else's, especially with regards to personal attacks and sockpuppetry. I would hope this is obvious to anyone who looks at the article history and discussion.
459:
page, included some while logged out so they do not appear in the contribution history of the named account, apparently to intimdate any user contradiction the organization's position, even those well known not to be socks by other editors.
840:. Unfortunately, I have consider the persistent use of "consensus" argument; ignoring or erasing discussion to be contrivances to block further development of the article by the BKWSU IT Team, even if copied by others. --
35:
No further edits should be made to this page. All edits should go to the talk page of this case. If you are seeing this page as a result of an attempt to open a new case of sockpuppetry of the same user,
37:
559:? They are active on other articles, with in-depth knowledge of those subjects, and for me to impersonate them would take a huge investment of time and effort and
730:
over the control of this topic. This is meatpuppetry and it has gone on for too long. Unfortunately, I do not know of where else to report meatpuppets.
332:
875:
757:
245:
581:
with whom you share a similar approach of constantly broadcasting our (already declared) affiliation, presumably in an attempt to discredit us.
707:
666:
204:
163:
1001:
issues going on here, but it's beyond the scope of a SSP case. I suggest this case be filed at arbcom if anyone is interested in pursuing it.
625:
122:
74:
347:
Although I am sure that these are separate individuals, I suggest that this is clear as possible an example of dedicated meatpuppetry.
17:
798:
286:
821:
is very skilled in the use of
Knowledge (XXG) accusation and attacks to manipulation. Perhaps he just enjoys provoking other editors.
869:
751:
488:
239:
498:
With all independent contributors intimidated off, the discuss and article remains virtual fallow, e.g. 3 edits in two months;
701:
660:
603:
I have stated clearly that I know these individuals are separate but that I can substantiate in detail a collusion between the
198:
157:
503:(To avoid any counter-accusation, I recently required to change my user name due to a lost password but have reported this).
619:
116:
68:
956:
report into account. Although the checkuser was inconclusive, I believe the contrib evidence is still useful. Note that
363:
881:
792:
763:
366:
280:
251:
455:
have filed disproportionate report of vandalism, personal attacks, checkusers, sockpuppetry complaints regarding the
713:
672:
210:
169:
631:
128:
80:
887:
769:
574:
257:
719:
678:
376:
216:
175:
953:
476:
804:
637:
292:
134:
86:
997:
The previous RFCU show
Riveros11 and Appledell are not the same. There does seem to be meatpuppeting and
857:
I'm not going to waste any more keystrokes on this. These contribs should say enough about the situation
520:
579:
863:
745:
484:
233:
1022:
986:
946:
915:
844:
595:
546:
532:
492:
321:
810:
695:
654:
298:
192:
151:
613:
463:
Even when I have placed extensive documentation and justification of change I see no where else,
110:
62:
588:
This sockpuppet report seems to me to be an attempt to game the system and/or cause disruption.
348:
1015:
939:
780:
has been brought into this out of goodwill but is aping the main team. It would appear that
998:
336:
961:
957:
858:
841:
786:
740:
556:
539:
528:
512:
480:
412:
318:
274:
228:
453:
443:
386:. In the arbcom case, it was stated that there was "clear evidence of article ownership".
690:
649:
570:
566:
446:
419:
399:
379:
372:
187:
146:
29:
The following discussion is an archived debate of the case of suspected sockpuppetry.
983:
912:
608:
592:
573:
have also declared that they are BKs. Me and these two accounts were involved in the
543:
440:
392:
383:
355:
105:
57:
46:
351:
states that in such cases, such individuals should be treat the same as sockpuppets.
1004:
928:
925:
I've asked for arbcom input here as that arb case is central to this SSP case.
834:
781:
552:
524:
467:
450:
426:
269:
369:
604:
456:
359:
382:
is also. Both exhibit a trend of following the leadership of
965:
893:
838:
831:
816:
775:
725:
684:
643:
499:
471:
464:
435:
429:
422:
415:
408:
405:
402:
395:
387:
341:
304:
263:
222:
181:
140:
92:
837:
has been editing my user page and knows I am not new
977:Perhaps it's time of an arbcom review of the case.
375:was also part of the team and confirmed puppeteer
335:, there seems to be a distinct theme of ownership
331:Looking through the history of the topic on the
563:acting skills that Don Juan would be proud of!
511:My response from the talk page of the article
8:
830:Additional note, use of dishonest summaries
470:by a oneliner say it is not "discussion"
340:reverted under the guise of "Vandalism".
333:Brahma Kumaris World Spiritual University
378:. I suspected that single user account
18:Knowledge (XXG):Suspected sock puppets
7:
578:shown by editors opposing the BKWSU
515:seems to be having a problem with:
24:
434:reverts back to Bksimonb version
365:. In a previous Arbcom decision,
358:states that he is an official
1:
1023:16:15, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
987:18:54, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
952:Would also appreciate taking
947:15:40, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
916:05:33, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
845:22:48, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
596:07:59, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
547:06:34, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
533:06:22, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
493:04:56, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
322:22:16, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
343:by the BKWSU team members.
1040:
40:for detailed instructions.
521:Knowledge (XXG):Consensus
551:How could I possibly be
32:Please do not modify it.
53:Suspected sockpuppeteer
960:is a reincarnation of
607:IT PR Team (currently
371:it was disclosed that
964:by his own admission.
101:Suspected sockpuppets
313:Report submission by
833:to make reversion.
466:it is dismissed by
362:IT PR team member
495:
479:comment added by
1031:
1021:
1018:
1012:
945:
942:
936:
897:
876:deleted contribs
820:
799:deleted contribs
779:
758:deleted contribs
739:I consider that
729:
708:deleted contribs
688:
667:deleted contribs
647:
626:deleted contribs
575:arbitration case
474:
308:
287:deleted contribs
267:
246:deleted contribs
226:
205:deleted contribs
185:
164:deleted contribs
144:
123:deleted contribs
96:
75:deleted contribs
34:
1039:
1038:
1034:
1033:
1032:
1030:
1029:
1028:
1027:
1016:
1005:
1002:
940:
929:
926:
861:
784:
743:
693:
652:
611:
513:User:AWachowski
413:User:Reneeholle
368:and user page,
272:
231:
190:
149:
108:
60:
50:
30:
22:
21:
20:
12:
11:
5:
1037:
1035:
1026:
995:
994:
990:
989:
979:
978:
974:
973:
968:
967:
923:
922:
921:
920:
919:
918:
904:
903:
902:
901:
900:
899:
850:
849:
848:
847:
825:
824:
823:
822:
734:
733:
732:
731:
538:
536:
535:
509:
508:
447:User:Riveros11
432:
431:
424:
420:user:Appledell
417:
410:
400:user:Riveros11
397:
380:User:Appledell
373:User:Riveros11
329:
328:
315:
314:
309:
268:
227:
186:
145:
103:
102:
97:
55:
54:
49:
44:
43:
42:
25:
23:
15:
14:
13:
10:
9:
6:
4:
3:
2:
1036:
1025:
1024:
1019:
1013:
1011:
1009:
1000:
992:
991:
988:
985:
981:
980:
976:
975:
970:
969:
966:
963:
959:
955:
951:
950:
949:
948:
943:
937:
935:
933:
917:
914:
910:
909:
908:
907:
906:
905:
895:
892:
889:
886:
883:
880:
877:
874:
871:
868:
865:
860:
856:
855:
854:
853:
852:
851:
846:
843:
839:
836:
832:
829:
828:
827:
826:
818:
815:
812:
809:
806:
803:
800:
797:
794:
791:
788:
783:
777:
774:
771:
768:
765:
762:
759:
756:
753:
750:
747:
742:
738:
737:
736:
735:
727:
724:
721:
718:
715:
712:
709:
706:
703:
700:
697:
692:
686:
683:
680:
677:
674:
671:
668:
665:
662:
659:
656:
651:
645:
642:
639:
636:
633:
630:
627:
624:
621:
618:
615:
610:
606:
602:
601:
600:
599:
598:
597:
594:
589:
586:
582:
580:
576:
572:
568:
564:
562:
558:
554:
549:
548:
545:
541:
534:
530:
526:
522:
518:
517:
516:
514:
506:
505:
504:
501:
500:
496:
494:
490:
486:
482:
478:
472:
469:
465:
461:
458:
454:
452:
448:
444:
442:
441:User:Bksimonb
437:
436:
430:
428:
425:
423:
421:
418:
416:
414:
411:
409:
406:
403:
401:
398:
396:
394:
393:User:Bksimonb
391:
390:
389:
388:
385:
384:User:Bksimonb
381:
377:
374:
370:
367:
364:
361:
357:
356:User:Bksimonb
353:
352:
350:
344:
342:
338:
334:
326:
325:
324:
323:
320:
312:
311:
310:
306:
303:
300:
297:
294:
291:
288:
285:
282:
279:
276:
271:
265:
262:
259:
256:
253:
250:
247:
244:
241:
238:
235:
230:
224:
221:
218:
215:
212:
209:
206:
203:
200:
197:
194:
189:
183:
180:
177:
174:
171:
168:
165:
162:
159:
156:
153:
148:
142:
139:
136:
133:
130:
127:
124:
121:
118:
115:
112:
107:
100:
99:
98:
94:
91:
88:
85:
82:
79:
76:
73:
70:
67:
64:
59:
52:
51:
48:
47:User:Bksimonb
45:
41:
39:
33:
27:
26:
19:
1007:
1006:
996:
931:
930:
924:
890:
884:
878:
872:
866:
813:
807:
801:
795:
789:
772:
766:
760:
754:
748:
722:
716:
710:
704:
698:
681:
675:
669:
663:
657:
640:
634:
628:
622:
616:
590:
587:
583:
565:
560:
550:
537:
519:Please read
510:
502:
497:
462:
438:
433:
354:
346:
345:
330:
316:
301:
295:
289:
283:
277:
260:
254:
248:
242:
236:
219:
213:
207:
201:
195:
178:
172:
166:
160:
154:
137:
131:
125:
119:
113:
104:
89:
83:
77:
71:
65:
56:
31:
28:
993:Conclusions
475:—Preceding
962:Lwachowski
958:AWachowski
888:block user
882:page moves
859:AWachowski
842:AWachowski
835:User:IPSOS
811:block user
805:page moves
770:block user
764:page moves
741:Reneeholle
720:block user
714:page moves
679:block user
673:page moves
638:block user
632:page moves
561:impeccable
557:Reneeholle
540:AWachowski
481:AWachowski
451:User:IPSOS
427:User:IPSOS
319:AWachowski
299:block user
293:page moves
258:block user
252:page moves
229:Reneeholle
217:block user
211:page moves
176:block user
170:page moves
135:block user
129:page moves
87:block user
81:page moves
894:block log
817:block log
776:block log
726:block log
691:Appledell
685:block log
650:Riveros11
644:block log
571:Riveros11
567:Appledell
305:block log
264:block log
223:block log
188:Appledell
182:block log
147:Riveros11
141:block log
93:block log
38:read this
984:Bksimonb
982:Regards
913:Bksimonb
911:Regards
870:contribs
793:contribs
752:contribs
702:contribs
661:contribs
620:contribs
609:Bksimonb
593:Bksimonb
591:Regards
544:Bksimonb
507:Comments
489:contribs
477:unsigned
327:Evidence
281:contribs
240:contribs
199:contribs
158:contribs
117:contribs
106:Bksimonb
69:contribs
58:Bksimonb
349:WP:SOCK
999:WP:OWN
337:WP:OWN
1010:levse
934:levse
782:IPSOS
605:BKWSU
553:IPSOS
525:IPSOS
468:IPSOS
457:BKWSU
439:Both
360:BKWSU
270:IPSOS
16:<
1017:Talk
954:this
941:Talk
864:talk
787:talk
746:talk
696:talk
655:talk
614:talk
569:and
529:talk
485:talk
449:and
275:talk
234:talk
193:talk
152:talk
111:talk
63:talk
555:or
473:.
1020:•
1014:•
1003:—
944:•
938:•
927:—
689:,
648:,
531:)
491:)
487:•
445:,
407:,
404:,
317:--
1008:R
932:R
898:.
896:)
891:·
885:·
879:·
873:·
867:·
862:(
819:)
814:·
808:·
802:·
796:·
790:·
785:(
778:)
773:·
767:·
761:·
755:·
749:·
744:(
728:)
723:·
717:·
711:·
705:·
699:·
694:(
687:)
682:·
676:·
670:·
664:·
658:·
653:(
646:)
641:·
635:·
629:·
623:·
617:·
612:(
527:(
483:(
307:)
302:·
296:·
290:·
284:·
278:·
273:(
266:)
261:·
255:·
249:·
243:·
237:·
232:(
225:)
220:·
214:·
208:·
202:·
196:·
191:(
184:)
179:·
173:·
167:·
161:·
155:·
150:(
143:)
138:·
132:·
126:·
120:·
114:·
109:(
95:)
90:·
84:·
78:·
72:·
66:·
61:(
Text is available under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License. Additional terms may apply.