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Knowledge (XXG) has made it for years without the perfect article on Simon Wessely; another
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Now I understand you feel like he's being unfair and twisting your prose. I also recognize that you don't get why your behavior seems so far out of line. Those are reasonable feelings to have, and they're typical of a passionate person whose first foray into
Knowledge (XXG) is a topic where they have
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Knowledge (XXG). As far as I can tell, Guy has done nothing to justify the accusations you've made. He seems to be working hard to take material with a strong point of view and try to wrangle it
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few weeks won't hurt much in the grand scheme of things, and you'll do better work here with a bit more experience.) For example, if you've just gone through the process of writing a book and dealing with lawyers about a potentially controversial book, consider working on related articles like
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I have no vested interest in this topic. I am a San
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Above there are a variety of unsigned edits from somebody who is very excited about their topic. Or perhaps it's a few somebodies; it's hard to tell (hint: sign your edits using four tildes and the system will automatically put in your name and a timestamp). I'd like to address that or those
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357:Essays on building, editing, and deleting content
1218:Arguments to avoid in image deletion discussions
1163:We shouldn't be able to figure out your opinions
915:Not every story/event/disaster needs a biography
2893:No climbing the Reichstag dressed as Spider-Man
2623:Ain't no rules says a dog can't play basketball
2300:Drafts are not checked for notability or sanity
940:Organizing disambiguation pages by subject area
445:Eight simple rules for editing our encyclopedia
2320:Extracting the meaning of significant coverage
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1253:Counting and sorting are not original research
144:The tiger: Awesome. Majestic. Poor house pet.
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1283:Don't confuse stub status with non-notability
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1303:How to save an article proposed for deletion
580:We are absolutely here to right great wrongs
555:Ten Simple Rules for Editing Knowledge (XXG)
520:POV and OR from editors, sources, and fields
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385:All Five Pillars are equally important
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1954:Don't call people by their real name
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2898:No one cares about your garage band
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2315:Existence does not prove notability
1733:Assume the assumption of good faith
1662:There is no Divine Right of Editors
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1378:Why was the page I created deleted?
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600:Knowledge (XXG) is not RationalWiki
204:William Blake's original plate for
196:Some suggestions for the passionate
152:to welcome back a banned editor on
2943:Please do not murder the newcomers
2500:Reducing consensus to an algorithm
1984:Don't drink the consensus Kool-Aid
1198:Adjectives in your recommendations
1075:What an article should not include
965:The problem with elegant variation
773:Don't get hung up on minor details
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1546:You have a right to remain silent
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950:Potential, not just current state
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2009:Don't ignore community consensus
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925:Not everything needs a template
838:How to write a featured article
440:Editors will sometimes be wrong
3104:Avoid writing redundant essays
2753:Don't stuff beans up your nose
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2455:Obscurity ≠Lack of notability
2405:Notability cannot be purchased
2365:Masking the lack of notability
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1692:Two wrongs don't make a right
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1612:It's not the end of the world
920:Not everything needs a navbox
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1959:Don't call the kettle black
1753:Be excellent to one another
1637:Revert notification opt-out
1541:We are all Wikipedians here
990:Put a little effort into it
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890:Introduction to structurism
828:Fruit of the poisonous tree
798:Editors are not mindreaders
703:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle
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465:Leave it to the experienced
430:Don't search for objections
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1989:Don't eat the troll's food
1949:Don't call a spade a spade
1944:Don't bludgeon the process
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2988:The Night Before Wikimas
2853:Ignore every single rule
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2480:Overreliance upon Google
2275:Common sourcing mistakes
1848:Settle the process first
1808:Imagine others complexly
1712:Writing for the opponent
1687:There is no common sense
1368:Unopposed AFD discussion
1353:Relisting can be abusive
1228:Avoid repeated arguments
833:Give an article a chance
683:Avoid mission statements
643:Advanced text formatting
638:Advanced article editing
585:Knowledge (XXG) in brief
570:The rules are principles
530:Product, process, policy
380:Articles must be written
154:a hotly disputed article
132:This page in a nutshell:
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2938:Please bite the newbies
2863:Mess with the templates
2430:Notability means impact
1964:Don't call things cruft
1939:Don't be the Fun Police
1748:Avoid the word "vandal"
1697:Knowledge (XXG) clichés
1562:A thank you never hurts
1333:Liar liar pants on fire
1268:Deletion is not cleanup
1178:Writing better articles
1168:Write the article first
1143:Gender-neutral language
1115:Writing article content
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1100:Write the article first
1035:Tertiary-source fallacy
803:Encourage the newcomers
763:Dictionaries as sources
708:Build content to endure
190:that particular conceit
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2858:Is that even an essay?
2555:What notability is not
2310:Existence ≠Notability
1919:Don't be inconsiderate
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1909:Don't be a WikiBigot
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1536:Unblock perspectives
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1348:Overzealous deletion
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1045:There is no deadline
910:"Murder of" articles
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