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every victim. The reasons are multiple for this. I agree that there are exceptions, like Amadou Dialu (not sure of the spelling) or Rodney King, so I'm not very firm in deletion in this case, but part of what makes those two cases worthy is that they are isolated. There is no general "brutality of the NYC/LA cops" article in which to discuss them. Unfortunately, the killing of civilians in Israel has been happening. The biggest problem is the merge and redirect location. All of the articles are riven with POV and edit warring.
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Humus, you know no one is saying that. The soldiers fired on the school. The "stray bullet" was aimed at the school. That is why this girl has, tragically, achieved a measure of notability. By all means, incorporate your POV in the article. Knowledge shouldn't take a standpoint, you're right, and you
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site and create over 1,000 new articles, each listing the name of a victim, and a paltry few details about their lives and deaths (if any), and accompanied by provocative "See also" sections designed to create a POV? People should stop using
Knowledge as a tool for their propaganda wars. By the way,
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Merge and redirect: I do think this victim stands out, but we have clear precedent set that victims, even those who are rallying points for popular movements, are better discussed in the context of the effect on the world had. I.e. the incident or the general topic should be discussed, but not
378:. Non-notable individual. Knowledge is a general-purpose encyclopedia, not a memorial site to "victims" of "terrorism". Those who wish to create articles for every "victim" of every "terrorist act" are welcome to register victimpedia.org and place the content there.
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have every right to express that. Quote official sources that say it was an accident with a stray bullet, if they exist. Put in the facts. I would help you defend your point even though I don't share your POV. But don't try to scrub it out to make your point.
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on this one. The article should discuss the incident, not focus on the individual victim. Perhaps that could be accomplished by a simple page-move to a different title about the incident? By the way, we ultimately decided
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Normally, I would say "Keep" to this kind of article. But, after doing a google search to verify the claims of HS, I found that only 4 of those google hits were NOT from wikipedia (or a site that copies from
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Revoking the non-notability reason. Regarding the stray bullet, I am curious, are we now going to have an article for every stray bullet victim? What a shame.
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494:. Victim lists are questionable, but this appears to be a notable victim because it relates to a notable, widely reported event.
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inflammatory and not called for. Of course, the same for all of this should go for
Palestinian violence against Israelis. --
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Knowledge is not the originating article for this.--
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