562:. Sometimes users see a group of articles "missing" and create them all in rapid fashion, before a discussion has a chance to decide what to do with such a group. Grouping them together in on VfD allows us an opportunity to discuss them as a whole, and not repeat the same discussions in a large array of VfDs. If there is a case to be made for some of the concerned articles, it will usually be made and that article or articles treated differently. Standard VfDs are easy affairs. This type of VfD is not; undoing the work of the original author is time consumptive, and requires a significant amount of attention to detail. Nevertheless, the outcome is productive, regardless of the voted result, as it pushes us ever on to a better version of the encyclopedia. --
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1510:. It is up to the administrator who closes this VfD to determine whether such concensus exists. In my opinion, there's somewhat weak concensus with 59% in favor of merging the articles. If I were an administrator, I would most likely close this VfD and indicate the contents of the articles (excepting Watford) should be merged into
388:(which should be renamed "Watford Gap Service Area" if it survives) to show the kind of thing that can be done with these articles. Most of them have their own history and unique features, having been through several phases of development. In this case I have not touched the architectural aspect of the subject, for example.—
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219:"Just north of junction 38 on the M6 you will find Westmorland Motorway Services. Both the northbound and southbound services have large farm shops which Prince Charles opened in early 2004. In 2003 they won Best Local Retailer in the BBC Radio 4 Food and Farming Awards." Doesn't sound like a petrol station to me.
104:. Of course they're noteworthy enough - as are the others. They're known navigation points, each with a history (they rarely opened when the motorway did; they've changed hands, their services differ; and so on). Unless of course, you intend to delete the page for every non- major railway station in the UK, too.
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It cannot be reasonably expected that anybody could write a meaningful article about these services. they consist of a burger king, food kiosks, some toilets, and little else. i beleive individual articles will contain nothing of note: I challenged the user who created them to produce more detail but
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No different from truck stops; just turnoffs where you can gas up and get a bite. At best they deserve brief mentions in the relevant motorways' articles, but these articles are useless on their own. "If we keep high schools, we must keep absolutely everything trivial" is not a convincing argument.
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If someone has something to say about a high school, railway station, service station or phone box- and the information is noteworthy and worthwhile- then the article should remain. this however does not mean a stub should be created for each of these entities extant in the world on the off chance
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Without wishing to attract censure for voting twice, may I comment that I find it an interesting version of a "better encyloapedia" that removes articles which a significant minority of its readers feel are worthwhile, when the main argument against them is merely non-notability. To a tone-deaf,
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well I didn't want anyone else to misinterpret my vote the way you did. i am new to wikipedia, i have never been involved in one of these before. i can't see why you need to hound me like this. i'm sorry if i gave the impression of voting twice, i just wanted to express my approval of
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I realize the voting has been a bit contentious. If someone feels I've placed their votes in an inappropriate category, speak up and say so. Two voters (noted with an asterisk in the table below) had votes that were unclear regarding their opinions on articles other than
Watford.
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Watford Gap do so in addition to their other votes, as I think we'll need some concensus with that article. Personally, I agree
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Indeed there will be some of note, but to create an article for every single one in the country (which is what I caught POTW doing) is a bit silly. I beleive there is one service station on the M1 which is a listed building! There certainly could be an article about that.
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Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.
236:- these stubs communicate little, but then stubs are like that. I think there are some service stations that might not be notable, but these ones all are. Each one could be developed into an article with enough unique content to be worthy of inclusion.
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In that case I apologied if it appeared I was being uncivil to you and asked you to try and be civil yourself. I apologise if it appeared i was voting twice, certainly that was not my intention. I edited merely to prevent other making the same
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A school stub which was exactly the same as this (lacking in any relavant context or notable info) was deleted just this morning. Some schools are notable- others are not. Some service stations are of note. Most are not.
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I'll probably get some disagreement, but 59% is not good enough to me when you have a split like this. If you take just the merge/keep/delete votes and not include the separate
Watford votes, it's actually a dead heat.
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The fibreglass may be of little import; but the existence of the footbridge (not all MSSs have them) is useful to know about, for anyone wanting to meet up with someone travelling in the opposite direction.
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into one article, place redirects for all of these. It is doubtful that any of these will be anything more than a stub. A larger article inclusive of these stations is more appropriate. See
1514:. You are welcome to disagree with me. However, I'm not the person who will be closing this VfD. I'm simply trying to clarify the situation as it stands now, in a complex situation. --
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If anyone wants to clarify their vote further, please do so now. If anyone who has not voted wishes to speak their minds, please do so as it may help gain further consensus.
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smaller stubbish ones into their respective motorway articles (plenty of space in there and no need to break out onto seperate pages unless and until more is written) and
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Watford, 65% keep ; if we include in this the 'keep' votes as also meaning keep Watford, then it's 20% delete Watford, 80% keep which is quite clear.
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We're eight days into this VfD now, and it is likely this will close soon. While we have consensus (keep
Watford, merge others), it's not a glaringly clear consensus:
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431:, unless Wikipaedia is to become a preserve information solely related to American schools, Australian politicians, Korean gamers and multinational companies. --
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637:service station != petrol station.
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1281:Francs2000
1249:David/Dbiv
849:Watford Gap
809:Watford Gap
362:M6 motorway
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276:81.7.41.148
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45:Woohookitty
1476:Trilobite
1243:Starblind
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1005:mistaken.—
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871:Leonig Mig
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630:JamesBurns
508:Certainly
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177:Leonig Mig
115:Leonig Mig
1384:Radiant!
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1102:Trilobite
238:Naturenet
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869:mistake.
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620:carmeld1
556:Comment:
535:Comment:
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366:RHaworth
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1398:Jareth
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1262:BD2412
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1214:Dave63
1211:bainer
1179:Abstain
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348:Shoaler
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1437:Erath
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1312:Durin
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664:adiant
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489:Gwalla
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284:Delete
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149:bainer
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1516:Durin
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1424:SPUI
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1272:Theo
1194:Merge
1094:Merge
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971:Query
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